Um, the case of St.Joan of Arc shows that you can die by death sentence from a Church court AND be a canonized saint. A bit worse than being out of communion with Rome, wouldn't you say? The issue is not even whether episcopal titles out of communion with Rome are valid; Rome has always recognized that they are "valid but illicit", and so are the sacraments they minister.
(Incidentally... the whole East "except Alexandria"... the see of Athanasius and Cyril... an exception of some weight, wouldn't you say?)
I would like to have more context about what St.Augustine (who certainly believed in Rome's jurisdictional primacy) said about giving the keys to the whole Church. There is an undefined Catholic doctrine of infallibility in the Church, which Pope John Paul II referred to in the matter of the ordination of women; it hardly seems to contradict the infallibility vested in the See, except that that particular doctrine was defined by the First Vatican Council.
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Date: 2008-04-29 03:33 pm (UTC)(Incidentally... the whole East "except Alexandria"... the see of Athanasius and Cyril... an exception of some weight, wouldn't you say?)
I would like to have more context about what St.Augustine (who certainly believed in Rome's jurisdictional primacy) said about giving the keys to the whole Church. There is an undefined Catholic doctrine of infallibility in the Church, which Pope John Paul II referred to in the matter of the ordination of women; it hardly seems to contradict the infallibility vested in the See, except that that particular doctrine was defined by the First Vatican Council.