I mean that the average liberal world-view can no more be derived from an atheist viewpoint than the opposite can. Atheism has no logical connection with it. Using atheism as a basis to campaign for the liberal bundle of causes-of-the-week is as rational as using Christianity to campaign for vegetarianism. And I insist that unless atheism bases its claim on reason and logic, it has no basis at all. That nearly every atheist is not coherent does not surprise me in the least, but does not change the matter. It was not us who demanded to be called "the brights". (To the contrary.... "I thank you, Father, because You have hidden these things from the wise and the mighty, and have revealed them to children.")