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I think I've made a discovery. Not much of one, of course, but I had never previously listened to the conductor Hans Knappertsbusch, and this afternoon I listened to his accounts of Beethoven's Third and Bruckner's Fourth in succession, and was struck dumb. Such grandeur and dignity, and incredibly beautiful sound. It helps that the orchestra is the Wiener Phil at the height of its excellence, but Knappertsbusch has such a distinctive touch that it is impossible not to ascribe the excellence of these performances to him first and foremost.

Date: 2010-07-01 12:16 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] shezan.livejournal.com
You'd never heard Knappertsbusch? Are you in for a TREAT!

...do you know/like both Kleibers? Keilberth? Kempe?

(Not doing the K rigmarole on purpose, I swear!)

Date: 2010-07-01 05:18 am (UTC)
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The Klebers, yes. I have Carlos' breathtaking account of Beethoven's Seventh, which can be compared to Toscanini's 1936 New York account - and that is the highest possible praise. Kempe I must have heard, but if I have, I was not as impressed. Keilberth, no. But crikey! People talk about the great austro-german tradition, but it takes this sort of discovery to realize just what depth of talent and achievement it involved.

Date: 2010-07-01 05:07 pm (UTC)
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I do have Carlos Kleiber's Seventh; it is absolutely amazing indeed. Have now to get me the 1936 Toscanini! I've just bought Keilberth's complete (remastered) 1955 Bayreuth Ring, and it is fresh, strong and detailed, with probably the best possible voices (Hotter, Varnay, Greindl, Mödl, Vinay...); and Kempe conducted probably the best recorded Lohengrin there is. I do love your wonderful Italian bias in finally conceding there might be depth to the Austro-German tradition, hahaha. Heard anything conducted by Mengelberg? Unlike Knappertsbusch, a Nazi, alas, but like Cortot a brilliantly talented one...

Date: 2010-07-01 06:59 pm (UTC)
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Mengelberg? I have, and I liked it, but I can't now exactly remember what. And I have no prejudice against the austro-german tradition - it is just to notice that it was even greater than I thought. Radio has a certain prejudice in favour of recent or living artists, which means one rarely gets to hear even Toscanini or Furtwaengler, let alone their contemporaries. But as for Knappertsbusch, as with Toscanini, it is nice to know that the nobility and grandeur of his approach went with a heart that did not bow before Baal (as well as with what seems like a very well used degree in philosophy). Evidently they were unfaked; and that may be why what I heard of his never bores me - in spite of his predilection for slower tempi - while Boehm definitely does.

Date: 2010-07-02 02:31 am (UTC)
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Böhm succumbs to the temptation of prettiness at times. He's never not good, but he rarely matters. Was it you who expressed disdai for my other hero, Klemperer?

And FIE on so-called "classical" radio stations. They dole out stuff one movement at a time, usually in the last version that came out of the bin. We used to have a perfectly good one, Radio Classique, which was WRECKED by the marketing philistines. (I bet you can get good Italian stations on the Internet, though? And certainly there are several excellent German stations where you have none of this Classic FM nonsense; Bayerischer Rundfunk is one.)

Date: 2010-07-02 02:32 am (UTC)
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Ahahahahaha! Amazon, here I come!!!

Date: 2010-07-02 06:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fpb.livejournal.com
I wish it was just Classic FM. BBC3 themselves have now got into the habit of broadcasting single movements. And considering the amount of time they waste proving their Political Correctness by broadcasting jazz or world music (and I have nothing against either, but don't they have their own stations?), it has almost abdicated its statutory role as guardian of the musical heritage of the country.

Klemperer? No, absolutely not. Klemperer I love. Although my ultimate stick-waving hero remains Arturo Toscanini. He incarnates everything that is good about the land of my fathers (Emilia-Romagna): a fighter, afraid of nothing and nobody, a man's man from top to bottom, a man to whom principles are real and living things, and even in his vices (such as womanizing and yelling) never mean or vindictive. A woman who turned him down did not need to worry about him carrying a grudge; an orchestral who was hurt by some irate remark would receive an apology. (He was short-sighted, so he could hardly ever see the player's faces, and his fury was always at things, never at people.) And his music almost always lives. (Almost; I remember a fantastically bad Schubert's Unfinished.) When he came back to Italy in 1946, it was as though the soul of the nation had returned home after a long nightmare; it was universally taken as a kind of resurrection.

An anecdote: After he left Italy, he did everything in his power to show his enmity to Fascism and Nazism and to fight them whenever and wherever he could. And so it was that, in 1937, he let the recently established Palestine Philharmonic (now the Israel Philharmonic) know that he would like to conduct them. That was of course a poke in the eye of Nazism; in spite of enormous offers, Toscanini had refused to conduct at Bayreuth since 1933, and would soon vacate Vienna as well. However, the little orchestra in Tel Aviv was hardly on the same level, and it was cautiously suggested that the great man's fees might be a problem. The answer came: who ever said anything about fees? Maestro Toscanini will conduct for free. What is more, when he actually came, he left the players a bit worried, over the first two days of rehearsals, by keeping his legendary temper under complete control. When, on the third and final day, there was an outburst, some players were actually relieved: now he was treating them like any other band. Later, to show its gratitude, the impecunious Philharmonic voted Toscanini a lifetime supply of Jaffa oranges.

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