ext_50177 ([identity profile] fpb.livejournal.com) wrote in [personal profile] fpb 2010-07-11 01:18 pm (UTC)

You are the kind of idiot who believes that any opinion is as good as another, and that you are under obligation to respect opinions, but not people. You are also quite uneducated and incapable of reading an argument. The reason to say that there were no pagains in 16th-century Europe is there in my argument and you could have found it there if you knew how to read: namely, that every popular movement from the Crusades to the American Revolution claimed its legitimacy in terms of Christian ideas. No movement before the French Revolution ever managed to have any legitimacy before the people who made it up unless it claimed to represent "true" Christianity; and that is even those movements which, like Catharism, were in effect not Christian at all. The Cathars taught that they were the "true Church", and that was how they found proselytes. The American revolutionaries called on "Nature's God", "the Creator", "the God of Battles" (Patrick Henry), "Providence", etc etc. Until the mid-eighteenth century, it was impossible for anyone in Europe and its colonies abroad to legitimate himself except in Christian terms. If you want to try and prove otherwise, try it. Else shut up. As for saying that someone who is talking about European history is "Euro-centric" - if you don't realize that you have spoken utter and grossly ludicrous nonsense, you are beyond help.

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