A story that turned my stomach

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What does this story have in common with the fact that the same country routinely murders the old and the sick and has recently approved the murder of disabled children?
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/946
Obviously, that human beings are being treated not as an end, but as cogs in the wheel of whatever it is that their rulers want (which the creature in question defines with admirable clarity: "capital"). Bear in mind that the creature's party not only did not even try to stifle her outrageous suggestion, but actually lined up behind her. Is Holland even worth spitting on if it was on fire?

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[lyssiae.livejournal.com]

Despite all this (and yes, I am biased, even though you'd have to fight VERY hard to get me to admit that I'm sick enough to go to a hospital here), the Dutch are human beings too (even though the vox populi denies this, ha ha), they are in need of salvation, prayers, conversion and communion. I can't give up on praying for this country of baby-killer-sympathisers; I can't leave them to their own devices and risk them all being lost - what if it's my task to show God to some of them? What would happen to those some if I gave up? Surely in some way I would be asked to reckon for the souls who had looked to me and found nothing.

Fluffy religious meanderings aside...it's sickening.

[fpb.livejournal.com]

You are quite right, of course. But the cold and brutal statements coming both from that person - who does not have enough life experience outside party politics to tie her own shoelaces - and from her party, made me sick. Not even the Communists of old ever stated so clearly that the individual is nothing and the collective - even "the capital" - everything. And this from a supposed "Labour" party.

[patchworkmind.livejournal.com]

When I was in the UK on my trip the other week, I read an editorial in one of the newspapers in the hotel lobby. In it the writer noted what he called (something like) "dangerous hardline Marxism" (or somesuch) that he believes has taken root in a few European countries. One of the dangers he cited were specifically what the article you linked to in your post. I can't recall everything else, only bits and pieces, but I could see what he was going on about. He was supposed to have been someone in the British Labour Party, and he said he was worried because Labour seemed particularly open to some aspects of that which he was scared.

[bufo-viridis.livejournal.com]

the writer noted what he called (something like) "dangerous hardline Marxism" (or somesuch) that he believes has taken root in a few European countries.

Not surprising. They are the spiritual (maybe no only spiritual :)) descendants of various hardcore trotskites, so adamant in their "proper understanding" that they were completely ineffective because of intense factionalism (thanks God for small mercies). Anyway they survived in the west, in the east they were properly disposed of ;)
And they still spread their gospel...

[patchworkmind.livejournal.com]

Yep. We have them here, too.

[rfachir.livejournal.com]

Is Holland even worth spitting on if it was on fire?
One of these days you're going to lose it and really let everyone know what you think. (I heard this quote differently a few decades ago.)

I wouldn't worry. People who don't work and have children don't have much money to pay fines, and I doubt the first Mom carted away from her wailing children for non-payment of loans will go quietly. She'll probably have a PhD in Marketing and Communications.

What are they doing to the ones who flunk out of Dutch schools without even getting degrees? Make them be MPs?

[fpb.livejournal.com]

I heard this quote differently a few decades ago.
Yep. But I cannot be sure that, if I ever found it on fire, I would happen to have a full bladder. 8-)

Seriously, that was a nasty thing to say. But that country, or rather its ruling classes, has been making me sick for years. Euthanasia and forced abortion are common. To me, the very essence of democracy and Christianity both is that the people, individually and collectively, are not a mean but an end. And not even Christianity only. Confucius once visited a great city. His disciples asked him what should be done for it, now that it had grown so large. "Enrich its inhabitants," the sage answered. "And after that?" "Educate them." The inhabitants are the purpose. "To be happy at home is the end of all human endeavour" (Samuel Johnson).

[photosynthesis.livejournal.com]

I read somewhere that if a disabled child is born in Holland, the doctor has every right to perform an abortion, even if the parents do not consent.

[fpb.livejournal.com]

Abortion is bad enough - and I am ferociously against it for disabled babies. (I am slightly involved with the disabled movement.) But they can even kill children who have already been born.

[fishity.livejournal.com]

But they can even kill children who have already been born.
I have difficulties to believe that (somehow I'd like to think that, living in the country next to Holland, I would have heard of it) - can you show me a source?

[fpb.livejournal.com]

I am sorry, my dear, it is true. I wish I were making it up.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/004/616jszlg.asp
http://www.christianliferesources.com/?/news/view.php&newsid=5098
http://www.discovery.org/scripts/viewDB/index.php?command=view&program=DI%20Main%20Page%20-%20Article&id=3384&callingPage=discoMainPage
and so on - according to Google, there are up to 177,000 web pages on the subject:
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=DVXA,DVXA:2005-23,DVXA:en&q=Netherlands+disabled+babies+euthanasia

[patagonian.livejournal.com]

Well you know, education is only to increase the capital of the state, not to, like you know, enrich society or have an informed electorate or expand people's horizons or anything like that. Why that would be just ridiculous.

I feel like I do an awful lot of shaking my head at humanity and I'm afraid that this is one of those instances. Seriously, where the hell did that lady get that idea? Oy.