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A few days ago I wrote an entry about the problems that my tendency to rage caused in my relationships with others. I have no doubt that a lot of people will have read the last entry - about the abomination that is Dutch law, especially on euthanasia, and about the atrocious behaviour of the Dutch government in the matter of Ayaan Hirsi Ali - and thought of that. Except that in this case, this does not apply.

Everything is right in proportion. It is wrong and silly to burst into fury over some fandom quarrel - such as the Blaise Zabini affair a while back - even though I may feel that I am in the right, or at least that I have a good argument that other people insist on refusing to understand. But when you are dealing with mass murder under the most obscene conditions and for the most obscene reasons, then exactly the opposite is the case. Then what is wrong is to yeld to the temptation of politeness; and speak and act as though mass murder were a reasonable, sensible, civilized alternative to be discussed in courteous tones - instead of a foul abomination whose very mention ought to make us shudder with disgust and wonder at a world where such things do not bring down fire from the sky.

A few days ago we celebrated Mother's Day. I have been particularly lucky in my mother - as beautiful as she is intelligent, as brave as she is unselfish, and so full of good things that it took me some time to realize that, like all other human beings, she had her flaws. To be sure, not everyone has my good luck - I could mention my mother's own sister, but I won't. There are indifferent or bad mothers. But having said that, everyone knows this: that only the greatest saints perform, in their lives, as many unselfish and helpful and loving things as a quite ordinary mother does in the ordinary course of her work. She is alwyas the one who takes the bad part of the chicken, who stays up late if the baby cannot sleep, who carves out time in her scarce timetable to take her child to school or to play - who is there a million times, too often to mention, until you realize that you have relied on her all your life and taken it quite for granted. After all, what is the one thing that no man will let pass, what is the one thing that nobody will ever allow to be said in his presence? We all know it: "Don't you dare touch my mother. You can say what you want about me, but, by God, don't you dare touch my mother." Thugs and criminals revere one thing in their filthy lives - their mother - when they revere nothing else. Sane men and women know it instinctively. It is for this reason, for this background of unselfish love that lies like a mountain wall all around the beginnings of our lives, the towering protection and help that has made us born and fed us and kept and helped us grow, that we Christians have come to see in the Blessed Virgin the highest of all saints: if that is what is our mother means to us, how much more - of the same, but how much more - must have been in the mother of the Saviour, in the mother of God in man? It is for this reason, just as any self-respecting man will fight for his mother's good name, that Christians going to war to save their nations and their people from oppression, have many, many times seen above the terror of the battlefield, warm and loving and peaceful in her blue mantle, Our Lady of Victories; and charged in Her name, through terror and pain and death, to victory and salvation.

This is what I, what any person, owes to his or her mother. The intensity of the love of the average person for his or her mother is not commonly realized, for the same reason why we do not stop to think that we look on the world from a walking six-foot tower; that it is fundamental to us. And as for our mother, so for our father. Our father is different - he is the person who comes in from outside, the voice of a strange stern world of work and fatigue and contact with little-known and unsympathetic beings, bosses, colleagues, clients. But he is the one who feeds us and looks after us; the one we go to in trouble or fear; the last bulwark in our need; and, on occasion, the extravagantly generous source of largesse - if mother is the one who will always give us a candy bar or a banana, father is the one who from time to time will slip us, from the apparently infinite resources of his labour and of his sometimes saturnine kindness, the unimagined wonder of a twenty-pound note or of a new bicycle or of a TV. As a rule, it will come as a surprise, and when you least expected it - and you realize that he has heard you talk about god knows how far back, and kept it in his mind. The average human's love for his/her father may not be as intense, as flesh-warm, as passionate, as that for the mother; but it is not less deep. He is the standard of value, the authority whose views are deferred to and whose statements are quoted. He is the first hero we look up to, and the first person in whom we have absolute confidence, even - strange mystery of the human soul - when we rebel against him.

Yes, there are men and women who fall short of this - even very far short. But this is what being a father, being a mother, means. And even those among fathers and mothers who fall far short of the ideal, still can call on us for a debt that cannot be repaid: they made us. Their will is the reason we are here. And in so far as they were father and mother at all, however little that may have been, to that extent they were those great and beloved figures. There is no other fatherhood or motherhood. And there is no human being who does not deserve one, or wish they had when they had not.

And in the course of normal, sane human life, the time comes when we can, if not repay them for what they have done for us - which is quite literally impossible - at least make manifest to them our gratitude and our love. It is when they are old; when they are weak; when they perhaps have regressed, and need - for the first time - our help. This is a privilege that life gives us: that in a forest of unpaid and unpayable obligations, of random events and people we meet once and never again, there are two people in the world to whom we can do something to repay what they have done for us. As a rule, we do not do enough. By the standards of what the average mother has done throughout her life, it would not be too much, when she is old and weak, to carry her around on your back, or, like Solon's two young men, pull her chariot like oxen. Luckily such shifts are rarely needed; but it certainly is our function, once our parents can no longer look after themselves, to look after them. What decent human being would think otherwise?

A Dutchman. A Dutchman would think otherwise. A Dutchman would think that the proper reward for the life his parents gave him is a bullet through the head, or rather, since that is what we are talking about, a lethal injection. A Dutchman would think that the proper reward is not to look after your father after his fourth heart attack, or your mother under advanced Parkinson's, but to let them die. Die with dignity, they call it.

Let us not even speak the base and disgusting reason behind ninety per cent of these displays of love - money; let us leave unmentioned the expense and time that it takes to look after a fragile old person who is never going to get better, because, truly, the only problem with him or her is old age - the weariness of years many of which were spent in your service. Let us assume that the Dutch really mean it, and do not lie like Dutchmen, when they say that what they really dread is the loss of dignity. Do you know what that means? Moral cowardice. It means not to be able to look at the horror of human life in the eye - the horror of illness, the horror of helplessness, the horror of dependency and exhaustion and pain and loss of control. It means taking death as an escape from these facts of life; and taking it, not for oneself, but for others - removing the object of horror from your sight, so that you do not have to be reminded that one day you, too, will be like this - trembling, helpless, weak, dribbling, blind, cold. It means killing people rather than be reminded that people must die. This is the noble, the elevated, the lofty principle of choice - that choice which begins when the doctor marks an old person down for the exit lounge, and ends when the old person, pestered and prodded by eager relatives and heartless medics, weary and sick and tired of life, or perhaps too far gone to understand, gives an extorted consent - and "dies with dignity."

As a Dutch citizen, [personal profile] dreamer_marie will, if her parents live long enough, be eventually asked to consent to their murder; this is certain. I hope that she has enough human left in her - to quote Hagrid - to tell the first, second and third person who make such a suggestion to go jump out the window; but what if she is so stuffed with the fraud of euthanasia to see what it is that she is consenting to? What if I am speaking with a person who, one day, will have her parents killed - because that is the way things are done where she comes from? Should I have been polite about it? Does anyone have such a vile idea of me as to expect me, for a minute, to be polite about it? Now that would be an insult.

And as for the horrendous cowardice of many Dutchmen in the matter of Hirsi Ali, I think it is directly connected. This nation has sold its soul. It has collectively signed its own death warrant, person by person. Each Dutchman or Dutchwoman who lives long enough will be eventually a candidate for the lethal injection. And it has done so on one promise, for one reason: for the promise of having, until the day it runs out, a "high quality of life" - life without stress, without chronic illness, without fear or trouble or hate. And just as those nations in which the relationship between parents and children is still sane will in fact fight for principles and justice and to defend the country, so, conversely, the intrusion of the violence and hatred of the outside world must seem, to the Dutch, the ultimate violation of their pact with the Devil. What, they have signed their own lives away - they have handed themselves body and soul to the State to decide how long they will live - and they cannot even be preserved from the intrusion of Islamic violence and the need to resist terrorism? No, no, no! Too horrible to contemplate. Drive out the cause of contention; drive out the person who draws the hatred with her; and let us hide away from other people's anger, and cradle the only thing that our Devil's pact has given us - that precious, all too precious quality of life.

This is what [personal profile] dreamer_marie defriended me rather than have to defend. Can you blame her? And do you see a pattern there?

Date: 2006-05-17 05:28 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Thugs and criminals revere one thing in their filthy lives - their mother - when they revere nothing else.

I will note in passing that there are exceptions to every rule. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4961768.stm)

Date: 2006-05-17 05:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fpb.livejournal.com
I said so. The piece repeats over and over that there are bad parents, and you can conclude that there are bad children as well. Quibbling is not a strong argument.

Date: 2006-05-17 10:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-nonny-mouse-9.livejournal.com
Fiery and eloquent.

There are those who think that Christianity has caused more harm than good in the history of the West. As Europe experiments with radical secularism, we may see this hypothesis actually tested. Developments like these you cite would not encourage me, were my hopes focused on the beneficence of the secular worldview.

Progress is what we hope for; history is what we get. It would be nice to learn from it, occasionally. But I know too much history to expect that to happen too often.

Date: 2006-05-18 12:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ani-bester.livejournal.com
Let us not even speak the base and disgusting reason behind ninety per cent of these displays of love - money;

Thank you for pulling that out from under the rug.
Too often, that does not even come up in discussions of assisted suicide.

People act like the main concern is the "well being" of the elderly, but there is a *HUGE* financial concern. The government considers it a waste of money, some children consider it a waste of money, and sadly, some elderly people consider themselves a waste of money.
But no one wants to say that money is a reason.

I think if we want our parents to live with dignity we should first look at how they are treated in their advanced age by hospital workers and even ourselves. My grandfather first lost his dignity not because he stroked out and couldn't communicate well, but because people treated him like his communication skills were indicative of his mental cababilities.

My father visited his father every day after his teaching job was over and usually spent at least two out of 7 days yelling at a nurse for being uncaring and condescending.

My mother medically (she's a nurse) checked on my grandfather weekly because the nurses there could not even be asked to make sure he wasn't getting bedsore and the like, nor would they take my grandfather's complaints' seriously or give him the time of day.

It's in treatment like that where dignity is lost.
I don't look forward to needing to be bathed and were diapers again, but even more so, I don't want to be treated like I'm a moron.
(though in the cases of the totally senile, I can understand why those people must be treatd like children, but it's like health care assumes that every elderly person is too senile to know their own name)

On the other hand, I am in favor of DNR's and other means of preventing medicine from becoming too instrusive. .

*sigh*
Sorry, I have a huge amount of pent up anger toward geriatric care in the USA. I'm just waiting for someone to propose that anyone older than 60 should volunteer to die for the better of the planet.

Also,the middle section was a lovely tribute to mothers.

Date: 2006-05-18 02:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fpb.livejournal.com
Of course I do not say, and the Church does not say, that people should be kept alive merely because it is possible to snatch another few seconds. In fact, Church teaching, I believe, allows the use of pain-killing drugs to reduce pain even if they tend to shorten the patient's remaining hours. But that is one thing, and killing a person who could go on living and experiencing and perhaps even recover is another. My grandfather died in his own house and bed, looked after by his wife and daughters, who kept him going for months and never made him feel a burden; and from time to time he sang. (Well - it was a pretty dreadful noise - but he meant it for singing.) He was 96 when he died, too.

Date: 2006-05-18 03:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dreamer-marie.livejournal.com
Just to let you know that I reported this to LJ_abuse for libel against me and hate speech.

Date: 2006-05-18 04:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fpb.livejournal.com
Ah, yes, "hate speech" - that hollow catch-all of liberals who want to outlaw points of view they do not like. As for libel against you, you just proved yourself a coward, unwilling to defend your country and unwilling to let my criticism of it stand. You ought to be ashamed of yourself. I have no doubt that you are the kind of person who would go into rhapsodies about how wicked censorship is. Until it touches you. Do you aim to prove that hypocrisy is another Dutch trait?

My mother, Elena Fanelli

Date: 2006-05-18 05:10 am (UTC)
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Date: 2006-05-19 09:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fpb.livejournal.com
I do not care what Dutch law is. I know that some 10,000 old and sick people are murdered by doctors every year, along with hundreds of disabled babies. The procedures to accomplish the murders concern me not in the least. The Nazis carried out their euthanasia campaign according to law, too. Stop supporting the murder of the old and sick and then we can talk.
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Date: 2006-05-19 09:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fpb.livejournal.com
And you have just confirmed to me that you are not in the least willing to discuss anything. Pompous allusions to mysterious legal procedures do not cut it as an argument. Say what you mean, do not allude. If you have arguments, state them. If you have data, mention them. If not, shut up.

Date: 2006-05-19 09:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fpb.livejournal.com
By the way, if Dutch law is so wonderful, why was [personal profile] dreamer_marie so wholly unwilling to say anything to defend it? Why did she try to silence me with the disgraced "hate speech" tag, instead of finding something to say? Perhaps she is, at bottom, not quite so self-deluded as you are; perhaps her stay outside of the Nether, very nether, lands, has exposed her to at least enough alien viewpoints not to be quite so sure of glib excuses and rationalizations.
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Date: 2006-05-19 09:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fpb.livejournal.com
You have a very pleasant death, as soon as medical experts determine you are no longer worth being kept alive.

Date: 2006-05-19 09:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fpb.livejournal.com
What I fail to understand is this kind of pompous apparition, spouting allusions to things that the appearer is unwilling to discuss, trying to assert a superiority she is unwilling either to exhibit or to defend. You, young lady, have made nothing more than a little noise. You proved nothing, argued nothing, defended nothing, said nothing; you sent along a bunch of words extraordinary only for the quantity of windy hollowness you managed to pack in them.

Incidentally, you misspelled your own pseudonym. The Welsh name of Arthur's queen is G-W-E-N-H-W-Y-F-A-R, with one F (or a V) and two W's. Shows the level of your intellectual competence and learning.

Date: 2006-05-21 07:28 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Coming from a man who can't spell the title of a Wagner opera correctly, that's rich.

Date: 2006-05-21 07:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fpb.livejournal.com
I ain't no Wagnerite, chum. Get me on Verdi or Mozart - or even Montemezzi or Alfano or Mercadante. What opera are you talking about anyway, and can you spell your own name?

Date: 2006-05-22 05:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fpb.livejournal.com
Mmmmhm. Guess chummy cannot spell his/her name after all. All this has been highly educational.

Date: 2006-05-23 10:41 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Hey, I'm just a stupid wanker with a life. But I read your long essay on culture posted a few entries back (trying to see what you're like), and ran across these mysterious Wagner operas such as 'Parzifal' and 'Tristram und Isolde', neither of which exist and make your comments above entertainingly ironic. Toodles!

Date: 2006-05-24 04:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fpb.livejournal.com
Still can't spell own name. And the use of "toodles" for irony died out half a century ago.

Date: 2006-05-24 09:17 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Doesn't exactly answer the point, does it?

Date: 2006-05-24 09:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fpb.livejournal.com
You are a nuisance. Now then: you read an essay of mine about culture history and criticize a couple of spelling mistakes. Me, I point out that a certain way to be ironic is culturally extinct. Which of us has shown knowledge of the subject, and which has proven a silly nitpicker who refuses to let go of a dead issue?

I now unilaterally declare an end to this thread. Any further comment will be deleted unread. There has to be an end to this discussion, if it can be dignified by that word, especially since you insist in disguising your identity. I have no respect for people who do that while they [try to] attack others.

Date: 2007-05-28 10:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] henk123.livejournal.com
This whole topic seems to be some medical community bash-ensemble. Referring to the lack of sufficient care the elderly receive in nursing homes in the netherlands, this is not a consequence of slacking off by the medical staff but of the huge shortage of people willing to work in homes. It's very simple; the babyboom generation is coming into the realm of geriatrics and with that comes an increased workload for the generations that came later. In 15 years most of the babyboomers will be over 70, meaning the shit will hit the fan sometime soon. Secondly, euthanasia isnt something you just hand out when people get to a certain cut-off age. It's a way to end extreme suffering and it'll be hard to find a situation in the Netherlands, where euthanasia was applied, in which this wasn't the case. When someone has a long future of agonizing, debilitating pain ahead of him/her and all possible forms of palliative care have been applied in the disease progress it is a justifiable choice.

Date: 2007-05-28 01:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fpb.livejournal.com
And if you believe any of that, I've got a couple of nice bridges to sell you. Forgetting for a minute that you have done nothing but confirm that the whole filthy business is about saving money (the babyboom generation is coming into the realm of geriatrics and with that comes an increased workload for the generations that came later. In 15 years most of the babyboomers will be over 70, meaning the shit will hit the fan sometime soon - that is, dearie dearie me, we will have to find some MONEY to look after our elders! Can't have that!), I have to tell you to your face that we are by now used to this kind of rubbish: euthanasia isnt something you just hand out when people get to a certain cut-off age. It's a way to end extreme suffering and it'll be hard to find a situation in the Netherlands, where euthanasia was applied, in which this wasn't the case. When someone has a long future of agonizing, debilitating pain ahead of him/her and all possible forms of palliative care have been applied in the disease progress it is a justifiable choice is familiar to all of us. It is the way they justified abortion - there will be the need of two doctors agreeing, and it will only be legal if the mother's health is at risk - then, of course, you interpret "mother's health" any way you wish, and bingo, you've got abortion on demand. I do not believe in guarantees: they are the last refuge of a scoundrel. I only believe in solid prohibition and suitable time in jail for those who decide that an old person is too expensive to go on living. Or perhaps, since prisoners cost a lot more than OAPs, we ought to follow your logic and just hang them. That would certainly relieve society of a great number of useless persons (defining useless as the kind of person who defines any other person as useless).

Finally, I have nothing against doctors. I do have everything against the corruption of medicine into butchery.

Date: 2007-05-28 01:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fpb.livejournal.com
P.S.: I have only allowed this to stand - and answered you - because you do not know that I have already posted elsewhere declaring that the murder of the old and sick is not to be defended in this blog. This is my own space, shared with my friends, and just as any such criminal defence would secure you instant expulsion from my home, so I have no desire to feature any defence of murder in my own space.

By the way, how do you justify the murder of disabled babies, which is also now legal in the Nether Lands?

Date: 2007-05-28 11:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] henk123.livejournal.com
First off, my apologies. I didn't take the time to look what kind of site this was and merely registered because i thought discussing euthanasia was part of what you were trying to accomplish with your blog. My mistake. The difference between the situations that you and i are sketching is that you are talking about people who somehow get euthanasia forced onto them whereas i am talking about the choice of a person for euthanasia when all else has failed. The number of cases where the choice is made for a patient, because he or she couldn't, just isn't as high as you perceive and even then would never be made by the doctor or because there is money to be saved. I understand why my message seemed confusing but the first part of the message was a response to an earlier part of the discussion and wasn't related to euthanasia in the context you see it in.
To answer your question about babies: these aren't people missing an arm or deformed but patients with horrible, incurable conditions which in most cases leave them with a very short life expectancy. However i find myself having problems with this practice seeing the modern criteria for euthanasia in these cases practically tell people with certain conditions they are worth less than other members of society. This does not mean however, that i resent there being the possibility to end the suffering of babies with horrible conditions which will shorten their lifespan considerably, lower their quality of life tremendously and give them something one can hardly call a future. Euthanasia is justifiable but the modern day practice of it (e.g. in the netherlands) needs to adhere to stricter criteria.

Date: 2007-05-29 06:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fpb.livejournal.com
Euthanasia is justifiable but the modern day practice of it (e.g. in the netherlands) needs to adhere to stricter criteria.
And you imagine for a minute that it will? Criteria are only excuses to expand the range of admitted cases. That is human nature. Nobody who is told: "You are allowed to commit this action only in the following circumstances" will ever admit that the circumstances did not apply to him/her and to his/her particular case; and they will always find a lawyer who will argue their case and a judge who will agree. End of story.

Furthermore, and that is really the core of my attitude, principles are not things that you uphold only when it's nice and easy. Principles - such as that human life is sacred - are only proved to be principles when you go right down to the wire with them: when you defend the human life of murderers, of hopeless morons, of anyone who does not look like they are worth it. Otherwise they are not principles, but commodities.

There is an exception, that is war (and that extension of war which is police activity against violent criminals). But in war, you are trying to defend the existence of your whole collectivity. In peacetime, there are no circumstances which excuse the taking of human life, because there are no circumstances in which the value of human life could become a relative rather than an absolute consideration. Otherwise, to make a selfish case, you make your own life a matter of relative rather than absolute value; and what value can your opinion have, if your very life has so little?

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