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To anyone who might feel like defending abominations such as baby-murder and the State murder of the old and sick: be reminded that this blog is my space. I decide what goes in and out; and while I allow all my friends to say what they think or feel, I will not, on principle, leave in any defence of what I regard as crime. If you want to defend crime, do it in your own space and don't bother me; all you will get otherwise is deletion and banning.

Date: 2006-08-05 08:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fpb.livejournal.com
Well, I am open to debate on most things, and I have had long clashes on all sorts of things before now. I will, for instance, debate abortion, though I am radically against it, with anyone, so long as the properties are respected. But on these two things I have a revulsion so intense that I simply cannot maintain normal contact with people who do not see that there is a problem with them. At least realize that it is possible to feel disgusted at the thought of a tired old man being given poison rather than help, or of a baby being destroyed in the monstrous way that partial-birth abortion prescribes. Realize that these are things on which a perfectly ordinary person can feel disgust. On such grounds, it would be even possible to argue; but I feel that our world has been utterly desensitized to the sheer ugliness of these things.

Date: 2006-08-05 08:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] prylliepwns.livejournal.com
I know what you mean.

I don't neccessarily believe in euthanasia. I think if all alternatives have been exausted, and a terminally ill patient has no other choice, they should be allowed to choose assisted suicide. But I'm not going to force that opinion on anyone. Plenty of people don't believe in having that choice, and they have the right to do so!

I believe that partial birth abortion is murder. As a matter of fact, I believe that abortion after 15 weeks should be disallowed. And in my personal opinion, I don't believe men should be able to decide for women whether or not they should have that choice, as men will never be pregnant. But again, my own personal opinions that I try not to force upon people. I just state what my opinions are, and I really don't like to debate those subjects, as they are two things that my mind will never change on, no matter how much you try to do so.

Hence why I believe you should not have to defend your own personal opinions on your own personal journal.

Date: 2006-08-05 09:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fpb.livejournal.com
Well, I have a very strong objection to one thing you said: men may never be pregnant, but only men may be father. I am past the time when I could afford to have a baby unless I was rich, since to have a child you have to have either lots of energy (like at 20) or lots of money (to hire a 20-year-old or two to do all the hard part of the minding), but I would have loved to be one. And I have to tell you that that sort of statement makes me feel reduced to some sort of sperm donor.

Date: 2006-08-05 11:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] prylliepwns.livejournal.com
I didn't say that men shouldn't have any say in what happens if a woman is carrying their child. I just said I don't believe men should be responsible for deciding whether or not women get a choice.

Date: 2006-08-05 11:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fpb.livejournal.com
Funny. The court that passed the Wade vs. Roe decision was all-male.

Anyway, we will not agree, so let us end it here. (It is half past midnight where I live.)

Date: 2006-08-06 03:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] prylliepwns.livejournal.com
I agree that we will not agree, but I respect your opinion, and hope you sleep well, Fabio.

Date: 2006-08-06 10:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] superversive.livejournal.com
If men can’t decide whether women ‘get a choice’, then logically, no man can make or prevent that decision with respect to any woman, even if the child is his own.

This may not sit well with those whose reasoning is based upon emotion rather than logic (which might be a wholesome thing in a case like this), but alas, the law cannot be written to take such emotions into account. The existing laws in every country that I know of make no allowance for the status of fathers, and nobody has seriously suggested that they should or even could.

By the way...

Date: 2006-08-05 09:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fpb.livejournal.com
Interviewer: "So what is the worst part of being an artificially conceived child?"
Interviewee: "Knowing that your father is a wanker!" 8-)

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