whose right to choose?

[fpb]

Believe it or not, I do not like to post about abortion. The subject itself makes me sick, and there is nothing to be gained by posting about it except the opposition and often the hate of those who are committed to it, and more rows and more fights.

However, a story I have stumbled upon is significant both because of itself and as a kind of strange, bitter comment to my articles on the Massachusetts mass pregnancy. There is a man in Kansas called George Tiller, who is a hate figure to anyone who opposes abortion. He has built a vast fortune on his willingness to abort anyone who asks, at any time; anti-abortionists call him "Tiller the Killer", both because of his eagerness to destroy viable babies in the last few months of pregnancy, and because the sloppy conditions in his clinics are said to be a real threat to the health of the mothers. However, Tiller is very politically active, and has made large donations to many leading political figures in the state. It is certain that he has Kansas' Governor, Kathleen Sebelius, in his pocket: she has fought an unprincipled fight that has lasted for years against a State prosecutor who had tried to apply existing Kansas law to Tiller's clinics, not only sacking him, but packing the state Supreme Court with cronies against him. (Whatever I may think of George Tiller, I loathe Kathleen Sebelius. I regard her as a female version of John Kerry, a repulsive, glass-smooth hypocrite who tries to use her supposed Catholic identity as an electoral asset while breaking every Church law she pleases, and whose use of power is as ruthless as it is heartless. Unfortunately, she is said to be a favourite for Barrack Obama's VP.)

Now the story has broken that Tiller's clinic has aborted the baby of an unwilling sixteen-year-old girl who had been dragged there by her mother. The details aren't clear, but it seems that both the girl and her boyfriend - also sixteen - wanted to keep the baby, and the girl's mother was the only one who wanted it dead. She used her power as brutally as Governor Sebelius, and dragged her daughter to Tiller's slaughterhouse; the father got there too late to prevent the killing.

Any pro-abortionist who objects to this is a hypocrite. Anyone who has studied abortion knows that a large share of abortions are "chosen" not by the mother but by her family, or even by her employers, as a matter of convenience. Things are rarely so cold and so brutal, but it comes to the same thing. However, the conscious resistance of mother and father and the fact that it was only an older person who wanted the abortion seems as though it might share something with what I read in the Massachusetts mass pregnancy.

Comments

[lottieviola.livejournal.com]

Like the choice of whether to have a baby or not!!! :):):):):)

[fpb.livejournal.com]

Like the choice of whether to have a fuck or not.

[lottieviola.livejournal.com]

It'd be great if all guys respected that choice. :(:(:(:(:(

Luckily, there's always oral and dildos and lovely, lovely gay sex. And condoms and the Pill!

[fpb.livejournal.com]

And as an end to all that, the local abortion clinic. But then, you are familiar with all those things.

Jeeezuz H. Christ. Are there really people like this, who cannot think of anything more important than fucking?

[headnoises.livejournal.com]

To echo FPB's point-- the choice to have a kid was made when the deed was done.

The baby is there. Murdering it doesn't undo anything.

[lottieviola.livejournal.com]

the choice to have a kid was made when the deed was done.
Well, being raped wasn't really my choice. I guess it was the rapist's choice, but he wasn't the one carrying the kid.

The baby is there. Murdering it doesn't undo anything.
Just the pregnancy! :):):):):)

[headnoises.livejournal.com]

Actually, it doesn't undo the pregnancy, either. Just ends it.

The kid didn't choose to have a scumbag for a father.

[lottieviola.livejournal.com]

Actually, it doesn't undo the pregnancy, either. Just ends it.
Semantics, but true.

The kid didn't choose to have a scumbag for a father.
Nope, but I sure chose not to ruin my life any more than it had been already ruined by keeping the undifferentiated clump of cells in my uterus until it formed into a viable human being.

[headnoises.livejournal.com]

Hey, I love semantics-- if you don't go by what the words really mean, we may as well just roll our foreheads across the keyboard and call it a day.

In the long run, we're all un-viable.

[fpb.livejournal.com]

As I said elsewhere: you took revenge on your son. Congratulations. Someone had to suffer for what was done to you, and since you could not kill the rapist, you killed the child.

[lottieviola.livejournal.com]

And as an end to all that, the local abortion clinic.
I don't know anyone who got pregnant from oral, using plastic toys, or same-sex fucking. But when I do, I will be sure to let you know.

But then, you are familiar with all those things.
Intimately! And my life is much better for having known them.

Are there really people like this, who cannot think of anything more important than fucking?
Like the guy who raped me and impregnated me against my will? Yeah, sorry to say, there are.

[fpb.livejournal.com]

So you took your revenge on his baby. That shows a keen sense of ethics.

[fpb.livejournal.com]

If you knew anything about what I have said in the past, you would know that I argued that abortion is the inevitable final result of the so-called sexual revolution. Go see the relevant post and then open your mouth - instead of just sounding like someone who came in half-way through the talk and knows nothing of what was said.

[fpb.livejournal.com]

The relevant post being http://fpb.livejournal.com/228779.html