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British media, including the supposedly conservative ones, are supporting Obama and (especially) hounding Sarah Palin, with a ferocity unknown even to their American counterparts, and looking more like the Daily Kos than anything, so to speak, human. This is appalling in itself, and may well end up being disastrous if by any chance McCain and Palin win. These creatures are planting poisonous ideas in the average British reader, which will take decades to weed away. And incidentally, it does nothing to disprove my view that at the roots of all serious modern political conflict in the West there is abortion; for the British media and establishment, including the so-called conservatives, are completely sold on the practice, and anti-abortion forces are marginalized to an extent unknown and hard to believe in Italy or America. This goes back a long time - Margaret Thatcher always voted in favour of abortion. Now, Sarah Palin, simply by being who she is, is a living rebuke to all the abortion-is-necessary crowd; and this explains the ferocious hatred and the avalanche of pathological lies with which this attractive, polite, competent female politician has been welcomed. Find me another explanation that makes sense! It also accounts for the complete silence that has been enforced on anything that might make Obama, the most pro-abortion candidate in history, look bad or even moderately dubious. It is not about race; if Judge Clarence Thomas were running for President, he would be treated like Palin has been. It is not even about party; if Condoleeza Rice had run and got the Republican nomination, you can bet your life that she would have had a much smoother ride than Palin. She, after all, has no children. You cannot underrate the power of repressed and concealed guilt feelings, crawling under the skin of all the career women who got rid of unwanted babies in order to please bosses and boyfriends, and indeed among all the men who were complicit in their crimes or even demanded them; when faced with a brilliantly successful career woman who not only had five children, but opted against aborting even the disabled one. (I don't suppose it helps that she is beautiful and looks ten years younger than her age. The sheer unfairness of the distribution of beauty is salt on any open wound, and the wound in question is painful enough in the first place.) Sarah Palin is a mirror who tells them the truth about themselves; and it is a truth that they cannot bear to see.

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attractive, polite, competent female politician
lolno on all counts

also do you really think the only reason women have abortions is because men coerce them into it?

IN other words, the lie machine got to you too. Congratulations, you have just branded yourself as a lie follower. You can say anything you like, but how anyone can deny that Sarah Palin is beautiful and has nice manners is beyond any human understanding, and shows the way you have allowed propaganda and - perhaps - personal guilt feelings to triumph over the witness of your own eyes. "Who are you going to believe? Your sweetheart or your own lying eyes?" You have obviously made your choice. God help you.

If you are stupid enough to believe otherwise, you do not live on planet Earth. Coercion takes many forms, and cooperates with female selfishness, but it is plainly the main reason. And I find it significant that the apostle of selfishness, Margaret "there is no such thing as society" Thatcher, was a committed and extreme pro-abort who saw nothing wrong with abortion at 27 weeks, and who corrupted her whole party till there was no place in British politics for anti-abortion forces. If you want to lie to yourself that there is anything in there besides a collusion in squalid and short-term selfishness between boss and employee, boyfriend and sex object, you are, again, lying to yourself.

how anyone can deny that Sarah Palin is beautiful
beauty is in the eye of the beholder. i mean, you can jerk off to the thought of her cherry-red lips nibbling on your nipples and the heel of her fuck-me pumps jammed into the hollow of your neck all you want, but it does not change the fact that i and many other people think she looks like every other white middle-aged woman in existence
personally i don't get how people can deny that barack obama is a cutie, or that vlad putin has the sexiest eyes in all of russia.
as for polite, compulsively inserting midwesternisms into your speech doesn't make you polite. being incredibly passive-aggressive during debates doesn't make you polite, it just makes you passive-aggressive.

and i also like how you seem to think the most important thing for a woman candidate to be is "polite" and "attractive"

and how you didn't bother to defend your claim that she's competent

it just says so much.

have you ever actually talked to a woman who's had an abortion, or who's had friends or relatives that have had them? have you ever talked to a fifteen-year-old girl, scared out of her wits, who got knocked up by her boyfriend when he poked holes in the condoms he used so that she'd get pregnant and she'd never to be able to leave him? have you ever talked to a woman who got abandoned by her husband who promised to be there for her forever, and now she's got no income and no support and can't land a job because she's going to have to take maternity leave soon if she keeps the fetus? or a woman who's pushing thirty and being pressured to have a baby by her family and her husband and even her co-workers because otherwise she'll be too old soon, and just sort of smiles and says nothing when they start in on the nagging because she just plain doesn't want a baby and doesn't even think she'll be a good mom?

first one was my niece, second one is one of my co-workers, third one is my sister.

There was no point in defending her competence to you. In the eyes of a fanatic like you, any evidence of competence would be invisible or worse. Beauty is, in that sense, more objective, as even your slobbering prose makes clear. And your ascribing to me of your own repulsive sexual perversions, just because I had said the woman was beautiful, says a lot about your personal problems and nothing at all about anyone else. In other words, you are clearly working off personal wounds here - just as argued.

and now she's got no income and no support and can't land a job because she's going to have to take maternity leave soon if she keeps the fetus

And on the planet you live in this is not coercion?

because she just plain doesn't want a baby

And on the planet you live in this is not selfishness?

You have to get through your twisted mind that apologies and excuses don't cut it with me. The only thing I am interested in is what people actually DO. You keep finding excuses for abortion; to me, that only means that you need excuses. Because at the end of the day there is only one thing that comes out of all those excuses - a dead baby.

There was no point in defending her competence to you.
well, you didn't even try, so i guess we'll never know. maybe i would have been amazed and convinced by you pointing to some wonderful thing she did that made everyone's life better, if you could find one. but you're afraid to try.

and i'm sorry debbie thought you were an unlovable creep, but that doesn't make it okay for you to obsess over how ornamental women are or what they do with their own bodies.

Debbie had her own reasons to pick the other guy, which you know nothing about. But as for your fanaticism, it was obvious from your first syllable. I knew from the beginning that you were to be treated as an enemy, and nothing you said has changed that. If you seek the battle, don't complain of the wounds. Incidentally, if Sarah Palin had anything in common with you, she would be whining loudly about the treatment the press is handing out to her. But she is a lady; and, having sought the battle, she knew that she was going to get the wounds. The same thing as I know. The same thing as you are too gutless to conceive. You imagine that you can cover anyone with insults and retire untouched, and still be treated as someone worthy of respect. Well, welcome to planet Earth, hope you survive the experience.

Because at the end of the day there is only one thing that comes out of all those excuses - a dead baby.
and a woman who is once again capable of handling her life, and who even might be able to raise a healthy, happy child later, when she so chooses. but i guess they don't matter much to you.

And on the planet you live in this is not coercion?
maybe if they'd offered her a free abortion to come work for them. but they didn't, she just got a lot of "oh, you're going to have a baby! how nice! you should go stay home with it. come back when it's four years old and you can put it in company day care for a monthly fee" from the interviewers.

And on the planet you live in this is not selfishness?
knowing your emotional and personal limitations is not selfishness.
how many babies have you adopted? or are you childless and selfish yourself?

NO, they don't. They are yet another excuse - a woman who has gone through that trauma is healthy and happy? Are you serious? Do you realize that your own words, your list of tragic terrible dreadful reasons to have an abortion, confirm in themselves that abortion is a trauma and a tragedy, and that the only kind of woman who would not feel it as such would be one so naturally selfish (and women can be as selfish as men) that she could walk through Auschwitz untouched? In other words, a sociopath? And is that your idea of a person who can raise a happy child: a sociopath? Your ideas contradict each other, as do your excuses.

dude, i came in here expecting to get a barrage of facts about the awesome things sarah palin has done for alaska and her country, and all i got was some butthurt whining from you. bring it on, big man. show me the facts. i'm ready for ya. otherwise all you're doing is hiding in a trench and whining.

Being squalidly sentimental and placing one's own poor wee feelings is not selfishness. It's not, is it? I already told you that all that talk about feelings is nothing but excuses, and what is more the selfishness is plain - it's all about me, me, me. If I want a baby, it's about me, not about the baby. As for your other sob story, take it to someone who cares. In Europe, such behaviour is illegal and could cause the company to be taken to court and heavily fined.

I have a suggestion: you go to Fandom_wank with your likes and work off your issues there. You are not going to get one shred of sympathy from me, and you are not going to enjoy being answered to. Just go flock with birds of your feather.

i like how your definition of a healthy, happy woman is one who thinks that her worth is defined solely by what's in her womb, or who can't get over a simple medical procedure that in most cases is less physically traumatic than actually giving birth.

so what are you doing to change the world so that fewer women have to have abortions? lobbying for stronger anti-abandonment laws so pregnant women aren't on their own? teaching women about condoms, or about leaving abusive relationships, so that they can have babies when they're less likely to abort instead of getting pregnant and getting rid of them? taking on big business to make them provide paid maternity leave, better health insurance, and free daycare for pregnant women so they can be assured of being able to care for their child instead of aborting it out of fear of being fired?

so how many unwanted, unaborted babies have you adopted?

or are you as selfish as those nasty murdering women you rail against?

Listen, honey (I am assuming that you are female rather than just effeminate?), I do not cast pearls before swine. You have clearly shown that you have no interest whatever in hearing anything good about Sarah Palin. What is more, you have shown WHY; and you have confirmed to the hilt my views about the real reasons of fanatics like you. Don't you realize that you have given me a case history? Don't you realize that you are evidence? You were not able to hide your real motives for five minutes. And to try and argue in favour of Sarah Palin's economic or social policies before someone who has an immense, irrational, immovable reason to hate her her no matter what - a reason as huge as her own guilt feelings - would not only be a waste of time, but a distraction. We are not going down that road, because that is not really what you would be talking about. I have dealt before with people who argued on something not because they had a rational reason to believe it, but because it served some psychological problem of theirs; and I learned that to argue with them on the ground they wished is only to allow them to get away with not dealing with the real issues. Well, you have made the real issues clear. And I will not waste any time with your rationalizations and concealments. You have not hidden them well enough.

I haven't really been paying any attention to the US election, mostly because I've been stressing about other stuff, so I can't really comment on her policies.

You cannot underrate the power of repressed and concealed guilt feelings, crawling under the skin of all the career women who got rid of unwanted babies in order to please bosses and boyfriends, and indeed among all the men who were complicit in their crimes or even demanded them; when faced with a brilliantly successful career woman who not only had five children, but opted against aborting even the disabled one.

I do admire the fact she chose to have children and have a career. This is good. But I do think it's a bit unfair to paint every single career woman without children with the same brush. I'm completely for choice. She chose to do this, and it's damn good that she got so far! From the little I know of her policies, I wouldn't vote for her (even if I were in the US), but this doesn't stop me from respecting that she both has children and a career. I figure that is women want children and a career, they should have all the opportunities in the world to succeed at both.

You know my opinion on abortion and how I believe it's mostly the woman's choice. There may be some coercion but there's some coercion in all of our daily decisions. This includes if somebody chooses to keep the baby. If men had babies, then there would be some coercion from women in whether they choose to keep or abort it.

As for selfishness. I'm not saying that it is true for every woman who chooses to have an abortion, but if, for argument's sake we say it is true. Would you want somebody that selfish keeping a child? Children need to come first in somebody's life, therefore, if somebody doesn't think they can do that, then I think it's the right decision that they don't have the child.

Adoption is immensely difficult in this country for legal reasons, and I am not within the parameters of the law. Nor am I rich enough or selfish enough to go buy babies in the third world. What is more, I am unmarried; and what is more, I regard the current adoption laws as inhuman and degrading, and would like to seem them changed at the same time as abortion is outlawed.

Your assumption that I am not going to do any of those things says more about your own native selfishness. Of course, you cannot conceive of an anti-abortion person as being anything else but a hypocritical swine, because, if you were anti-abortion, that is the kind of anti-abortion person you would be. I am different from you in every way, and in so far as I can make a difference in various areas, I intend to. But abortion is the central issue, and so long as it is legal anything else is a sticking-plaster over cancer.

you didn't even try.

you're not gonna change my mind on palin's personal charms or lack thereof, but the thing is that you don't need to be pretty or graceful to be a politician. link me to solid, irrefutable evidence of one thing she did that made alaska or the country a better place--just one--and i will concede. swear to god.

i just asked. what are you doing to ensure that women don't feel the need to seek out abortions in the first place, besides calling them selfish?

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