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British media, including the supposedly conservative ones, are supporting Obama and (especially) hounding Sarah Palin, with a ferocity unknown even to their American counterparts, and looking more like the Daily Kos than anything, so to speak, human. This is appalling in itself, and may well end up being disastrous if by any chance McCain and Palin win. These creatures are planting poisonous ideas in the average British reader, which will take decades to weed away. And incidentally, it does nothing to disprove my view that at the roots of all serious modern political conflict in the West there is abortion; for the British media and establishment, including the so-called conservatives, are completely sold on the practice, and anti-abortion forces are marginalized to an extent unknown and hard to believe in Italy or America. This goes back a long time - Margaret Thatcher always voted in favour of abortion. Now, Sarah Palin, simply by being who she is, is a living rebuke to all the abortion-is-necessary crowd; and this explains the ferocious hatred and the avalanche of pathological lies with which this attractive, polite, competent female politician has been welcomed. Find me another explanation that makes sense! It also accounts for the complete silence that has been enforced on anything that might make Obama, the most pro-abortion candidate in history, look bad or even moderately dubious. It is not about race; if Judge Clarence Thomas were running for President, he would be treated like Palin has been. It is not even about party; if Condoleeza Rice had run and got the Republican nomination, you can bet your life that she would have had a much smoother ride than Palin. She, after all, has no children. You cannot underrate the power of repressed and concealed guilt feelings, crawling under the skin of all the career women who got rid of unwanted babies in order to please bosses and boyfriends, and indeed among all the men who were complicit in their crimes or even demanded them; when faced with a brilliantly successful career woman who not only had five children, but opted against aborting even the disabled one. (I don't suppose it helps that she is beautiful and looks ten years younger than her age. The sheer unfairness of the distribution of beauty is salt on any open wound, and the wound in question is painful enough in the first place.) Sarah Palin is a mirror who tells them the truth about themselves; and it is a truth that they cannot bear to see.

Date: 2008-10-11 04:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fpb.livejournal.com
IN other words, the lie machine got to you too. Congratulations, you have just branded yourself as a lie follower. You can say anything you like, but how anyone can deny that Sarah Palin is beautiful and has nice manners is beyond any human understanding, and shows the way you have allowed propaganda and - perhaps - personal guilt feelings to triumph over the witness of your own eyes. "Who are you going to believe? Your sweetheart or your own lying eyes?" You have obviously made your choice. God help you.

Date: 2008-10-11 05:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scifitwin.livejournal.com
how anyone can deny that Sarah Palin is beautiful
beauty is in the eye of the beholder. i mean, you can jerk off to the thought of her cherry-red lips nibbling on your nipples and the heel of her fuck-me pumps jammed into the hollow of your neck all you want, but it does not change the fact that i and many other people think she looks like every other white middle-aged woman in existence
personally i don't get how people can deny that barack obama is a cutie, or that vlad putin has the sexiest eyes in all of russia.
as for polite, compulsively inserting midwesternisms into your speech doesn't make you polite. being incredibly passive-aggressive during debates doesn't make you polite, it just makes you passive-aggressive.

and i also like how you seem to think the most important thing for a woman candidate to be is "polite" and "attractive"

and how you didn't bother to defend your claim that she's competent

it just says so much.

Date: 2008-10-11 05:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fpb.livejournal.com
There was no point in defending her competence to you. In the eyes of a fanatic like you, any evidence of competence would be invisible or worse. Beauty is, in that sense, more objective, as even your slobbering prose makes clear. And your ascribing to me of your own repulsive sexual perversions, just because I had said the woman was beautiful, says a lot about your personal problems and nothing at all about anyone else. In other words, you are clearly working off personal wounds here - just as argued.

Date: 2008-10-11 05:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scifitwin.livejournal.com
There was no point in defending her competence to you.
well, you didn't even try, so i guess we'll never know. maybe i would have been amazed and convinced by you pointing to some wonderful thing she did that made everyone's life better, if you could find one. but you're afraid to try.

and i'm sorry debbie thought you were an unlovable creep, but that doesn't make it okay for you to obsess over how ornamental women are or what they do with their own bodies.

Date: 2008-10-11 05:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fpb.livejournal.com
Debbie had her own reasons to pick the other guy, which you know nothing about. But as for your fanaticism, it was obvious from your first syllable. I knew from the beginning that you were to be treated as an enemy, and nothing you said has changed that. If you seek the battle, don't complain of the wounds. Incidentally, if Sarah Palin had anything in common with you, she would be whining loudly about the treatment the press is handing out to her. But she is a lady; and, having sought the battle, she knew that she was going to get the wounds. The same thing as I know. The same thing as you are too gutless to conceive. You imagine that you can cover anyone with insults and retire untouched, and still be treated as someone worthy of respect. Well, welcome to planet Earth, hope you survive the experience.

Date: 2008-10-11 06:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scifitwin.livejournal.com
dude, i came in here expecting to get a barrage of facts about the awesome things sarah palin has done for alaska and her country, and all i got was some butthurt whining from you. bring it on, big man. show me the facts. i'm ready for ya. otherwise all you're doing is hiding in a trench and whining.

Date: 2008-10-11 06:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fpb.livejournal.com
Listen, honey (I am assuming that you are female rather than just effeminate?), I do not cast pearls before swine. You have clearly shown that you have no interest whatever in hearing anything good about Sarah Palin. What is more, you have shown WHY; and you have confirmed to the hilt my views about the real reasons of fanatics like you. Don't you realize that you have given me a case history? Don't you realize that you are evidence? You were not able to hide your real motives for five minutes. And to try and argue in favour of Sarah Palin's economic or social policies before someone who has an immense, irrational, immovable reason to hate her her no matter what - a reason as huge as her own guilt feelings - would not only be a waste of time, but a distraction. We are not going down that road, because that is not really what you would be talking about. I have dealt before with people who argued on something not because they had a rational reason to believe it, but because it served some psychological problem of theirs; and I learned that to argue with them on the ground they wished is only to allow them to get away with not dealing with the real issues. Well, you have made the real issues clear. And I will not waste any time with your rationalizations and concealments. You have not hidden them well enough.

Date: 2008-10-11 06:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scifitwin.livejournal.com
you didn't even try.

you're not gonna change my mind on palin's personal charms or lack thereof, but the thing is that you don't need to be pretty or graceful to be a politician. link me to solid, irrefutable evidence of one thing she did that made alaska or the country a better place--just one--and i will concede. swear to god.

Date: 2008-10-11 06:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fpb.livejournal.com
I do not believe you, including your oath, for the reasons I already gave. What is more, this essay was not about Palin but about the reasons for the irrational hatred of her. Even if she turned out to be a very bad politician, your reason to hate her, which you gave away within five minutes of starting the discussion, is nothing to do with that. Conversely, they fall within the area of my essay - that is, Palinophobia and its real reason. What you cannot stand is not a Republican candidate for President - if Condi Rice had ran you would have regarded her at least with mild opposition - but the picture of the five children, including the Down's baby.

Date: 2008-10-11 06:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scifitwin.livejournal.com
I do not believe you, including your oath, for the reasons I already gave.
so you're not even going to try. what do you have to lose? five minutes of googling? have you ever considered the possibility that you're wrong? ever? in your life?

i'm fine with her having five kids. she chose to have them, she's proud of that, and that's a-ok with me. what's not a-ok with me is the fact that she's shown herself to be completely incompetent as a mayor and a governor by her actions and rulings, and displayed her incompetence repeatedly in interviews and debates. if you can point me to one thing she did during her tenure in any official capacity that was an unqualified success, i swear on my own personal god, bruce springsteen, that i will tip my hat to you, shut up, and go away.

Date: 2008-10-11 06:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fpb.livejournal.com
Yeah, right.

Date: 2008-10-11 06:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fpb.livejournal.com
But supposing you really meant it, it would not be me you should be attacking, but people like this: http://fpb.livejournal.com/348396.html

Date: 2008-10-11 06:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scifitwin.livejournal.com
there we go. :)

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