Tolja

[fpb]

This - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1215389/Abandoned-parents-betrayed-schools-young-boys-turning-criminal-gangs-protection-sense-belonging.html - is without a doubt the best and most important article printed by any British newspaper in months if not years. And Harriet Sergeant is an exceptional journalist - I have seen other items by her, and she is brave as a steel sword. But I regret to say that I foresaw every word of it before I ever started blogging, and described it in my article about the Tony Blair generation two or three years ago.

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[inverarity.livejournal.com]

Interesting and revealing that you equate "non-white" with "FORMER SUPERPREDATOR." Thank you for making my point.

Aside from that, you'd save yourself some embarrassment by educating yourself about the difference between correlation and causation. There are some pretty obvious holes in the logic of your ALL CAPS conclusions, if you do even a small amount of research on what other factors affect both crime rates and incarceration rates.

[fpb.livejournal.com]

Why not save baduin the trouble and do it yourself? If you know these "other factors that affect both crime rates and incarceration rates", do share them with us. To just assume that your opponent's data or reasoning are flawed, without supplying any of your own, is a fourth-rate arguing tactic.

[inverarity.livejournal.com]

And to make statements based on disproven assumptions and then demand other people do the work of Googling for you is a disingenuous tactic.

If baduin wants me to do research for him, he can get in touch with me and I'll provide him with my hourly rate. But this one's a freebie:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation

[fpb.livejournal.com]

Sorry, but that is not the way it works. If you want to assert your views, you have to assert them. Otherwise it is open to anyone to answer that, whether or not correlation is not causation, correlation in this case (whatever the case may be) certainly is.

It's also rather rude.

[baduin.livejournal.com]

If we are speaking about science, I would like to ask a scientific question. Are you actually a human, or is it some kind of Turing test?

In the second case, you failed. I would like to inform the programmers that they still have a lot of work. It is an ingenious approach, I must say - a search for key terms, and finding the relevant platitudes in a database, but it is rather easy to distinguish this from the true intelligence. Namely, this system can never reply to arguments, only - obviously - quote platitudes.

On the other hand, it would work well on TV. I suggest adding rendering and voice recognition subsystems. Or perhaps it has been done already?

Hope and Change!
baduin.livejournal.com

[fpb.livejournal.com]

Oh for the love of Heaven. I am just done rebuking inverarity68 for rudeness to you, and you have to go and write this. I am trying to have a discussion here - NOT a sequel of mutual insults. For your information, inverarity68 is human enough to be one of the two or three finest fanfic writers I have ever read. If his/her responses strike you as cliched and unresponsive, say so. Argue. Don't insult. The issue we are discussing is, in my view, so important that this kind of behaviour in its discussion is positively impertinent.

[baduin.livejournal.com]

Impossible. I do not believe you.

There is no man alive who could claim, seriously, that putting criminals in jail does not lessen the number of crimes.

It must be a badly done AI.

[fpb.livejournal.com]

Mister, you are drinking in the last chance saloon. One more response like this and you'll be forced to answer anonymously. I don't have to coddle your superiority complex and I won't. If you had said to inverarity68: "Do you realize that you have said that jailing people does not reduce crime? How can you justify that statement? Where is the evidence?" - nobody could have had any complaint. But to argue that someone is not human because s/he said something you find silly is despicable. As for inverarity68's fics, here is a link - http://www.fictionalley.org/authors/inverarity/ - and I suggest you read them. You might learn something.

End of the story

[fpb.livejournal.com]

baduin answered with a sarcastic apology that made matters worse. He is now banned from commenting in this LJ.