The need for Fascists and right-wingers

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I could never vote for any one of the three rising little parties on the British right wing - UKIP, the English Democrats and James Hargreaves' Christian Party - in a million years, not if they paid me; and I have already several times said what I think of that crafty, far-sighted Fascist villain, Nick Griffin, and his electoral army of dupes and stormtroopers in disguise. So why do I think it would be a very good thing if a couple of dozen MPs from these variously unattractive groups were to reach Westminster in a week?

Let me tell you a story. When the Italian First Republic collapsed under the blows of the great Tangentopoli scandal, one of the side effects was a sense among some of the nastier groupings on the political fringe that they were somehow being justified and that the moral collapse of the political centre was their opportunity.

The city of Rome has the most ancient Jewish community on the face of the planet; it has also, alas, a tiny but obdurate and peculiarly nasty neo-Nazi underground, despised and emarginated even by the "respectable" fascist and conservative parties. These people started becoming more active, and their obvious target was the ancient Jewish quarter on the shore of the Tiber. Night after night there were threatening raids, insults painted on walls, assaults, threats.

The Roman Jews are nobody's punching-bags, and they complained vigorously. The authorities played their usual sympathetic but helpless roles, and the media politely condoled. Clearly, in a politically distracted country with serious public order issues elsewhere, nobody felt that a few assaults and writings on Jewish walls were at the top of any list of priorities.

The young men of the Ghetto drew their own conclusions and made their own decisions. And one night, when the Nazi thugs came to have fun, they were waiting for them, with knuckledusters, bike chains and steel rods.

Everyone was shocked, and everyone lectured the Jewish community about restraint and legality. But from then on, the Nazi rats stayed in their underground, and any time they didn't the authorities paid attention to Jewish complaints.

The whole structure of British society is under assault by the very people - politicians, bureaucrats and their media hangers-on in particular - who should have as their chief duty to defend it. It is about time that these people were put on notice that their assault on England, Scotland and Wales will not continue unpunished. And if that reaction has some thuggish features, so much the better: this class, which takes nothing seriously except power, may yet begin to take the country seriously.

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True. A lot of people do not understand that the only thing some people (i.e. bullies, thugs, etc.) are willing to respond to or respect is force. They are, more often than not, only bullies because other people are too timid to defend themselves when attacked.

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i'd agree but there's a couple of things that bother me about the idea: some of the more extreme views oughtn't really be legitimized by allowing access to influence and more often than not they tend to be focussed of a single issue and parliament, for instance, examines a whole range of issues so what would be their value on other matters?

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Well, both UKIP and the Christian Party do claim to have a party platform on the various issues. UKIP, in fact, is the party that to my mind would best represent the values and groups betrayed by the Tories, and if it wasn't for their anti-Europeanism they would be rather sympathetic. And while Fascists are odious, it's not as though fascism does not have its own program. That leaves the English Democrats, of whom I know the least. But my point is not that I want to see these parties permanently ensconced in the British political picture - unless UKIP replaces the Tories; it is that I want the political slime currently in charge of the three dominant monsters to get a good scare. They have all the same values, and it so happens that those values are both alien to the majority of Britions and offensive to common decency; it amounts to a mostly but not wholly unconscious conspiracy against the common people.

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you're tambourine thumping again *rollseyes*. it'll be interesting to see if the iraq inquiry, the financial crisis and the expenses issue has an effect on voting numbers. if it does, that'll probably allow some space for your thugs to have some influence. only answered next week though...

btw i just posted a link and comment on your earlier thread, forgot to add that i glad to notice that lord carey et al had been told where to get off - expecting to able to pick and choose the judiciary in certain cases is taking the piss tbh, and they know it.

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Look, if you don't like my political views, don't fucking read my blog. But I'll thank you not to leave arrogant, supercilious New Forced Labour trash on my blog. I am sure that there are many places where your fondness for the current arrangement of Britain would be both welcomed and rewarded; but next time you take this arrogant attitude on my blog is the last time it will happen. After that, you can go to fandom_wank for all I care.

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- thanks for throwing your reasonable mask off and showing yourself once again the servile lover of the Powers That Be that you are.

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Oh, and in every country of law and order, the laws allow to reject a judge who can be shown to be obviously prejudiced. The fact that this tyrannical creature refused the obvious and justified concern of Lord Carey and the rest shows that law and order are dead in the United Kingdom. That you find it to your taste shows that your taste is servile.

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ummm, i can't remember a case of a uk judge being removed on those grounds, can you? and just because you don't like the judgement is no reason to claim prejudice and tyranny is it? there's always the possibility of another appeal, of course.

melanie philips wrote:

'But this new initiative elevates such protest to a very different level.
To prevent discrimination against Christians being set in stone, Lord Carey wants religious discrimination cases to be heard by a special panel of judges with some knowledge of religious matters.'
picking and choosing, would you expect to be able to pick and choose the staff who provide a service to you?

'As an insult to some of the biggest wigs in the land, this could hardly be exaggerated. By throwing down the gauntlet to the judiciary in this way, Lord Carey is mounting a full-frontal challenge to some of those who most influence our society.'
taking the piss and expecting preferential treatment for the religious. sorry that can't be right. clearly, the judge in the case was not convinced by lord carey et al's argument in a matter of laws on discrimination.

'That you find it to your taste'
most certainly not a matter of taste, but principles: one that is relevant, another that is not. couldn't be more simple really and, as i wrote previously, i don't think you're in a position to argue the point anyway - a brief period in the odd school doing teacher training doesn't cut the cake when there are many more services that you seem not to have experienced.

'shows that law and order are dead in the United Kingdom.'
i honestly do hope you're not giving yourself permission to carry out some kind of direct action!

i'm rather disappointed that you consider that someone who posts disagreement on your public blog is considered to be servile, motiveless, arrogant, supercillious, and so on... when i think you're fabulous, fabio, except for when you're posting rubbish about the apparently, extraordinarily woeful situation christians in the uk find themselves, in the workplace - a position unrecognisable to both myself and friends who were/are occupied in such places and some of whom are deeply religious. admittedly there have been some silly cases but i doubt that they were not without forewarning. anyway, in reference to the recent discussion about using your writings in a different way, i agree. given the grasp of british values and common decency you have, i think you should use them as a springboard for you to run for parliament, you'll be a tower of a man, a hero. really!