Re: continued...

Date: 2011-09-09 07:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fpb.livejournal.com
And because you in your niceness claim that it ought to do so and so, we should treat the reality of what the British state has actually done, here and now, as if it did not exist? Sorry, I am a rationalist and I deal with things as they are.

Re: continued...

Date: 2011-09-09 07:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sabethea.livejournal.com
The British state has not done anything. It has suggested something which you can critique. You critique it saying "this is outrageous and should not happen". I critique it saying "If you're arguing this, then the logical outcome should be x".

Re: continued...

Date: 2011-09-09 08:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fpb.livejournal.com
My dear young lady, perhaps you are not familiar with the way the British Ruling Class does things. In that case, may I inform you that this man's villainous suggestion follows a pattern. If you don't know the pattern, study the history of Britain in the last hundred years or so.

Re: continued...

Date: 2011-09-09 08:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sabethea.livejournal.com
My dear old man, I am aware. But your argument that the state has already DONE something is inaccurate.

Re: continued...

Date: 2011-09-09 08:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fpb.livejournal.com
When you see a pattern beginning to take place, you have a reasonable expectation that it will take place. When you see Usain Bolt starting to pull away from other runners, you have a reasonable expectation that he will finish first and probably pulling up. When you see a known mafioso coming out of the premises of a business, you can assume that he was there to get protection money. When you see two rows of eleven players enter a rectangular field, you may have a reasonable expectation that a game of soccer is going to be played. And when you see certain suggestions begin to be bruited about the periphery of a certain group of people, you can reasonably expect them to follow it through.

Re: continued...

Date: 2011-09-09 08:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sabethea.livejournal.com
...and in the case of Usain Bolt, you'd be wrong, in the most recent circumstance.

Re: continued...

Date: 2011-09-09 08:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fpb.livejournal.com
"The most recent circumstance"? You mean when he won the 200mts world championship? Well, he did not pull up, I suppose. Or when he led the sublime Jamaican quartet to shatter the world record on their way to another World Championship? Well, again, he did not pull up.

Re: continued...

Date: 2011-09-09 08:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sabethea.livejournal.com
Exactly.

He did not, in any sense, pull up on either occasion (nor could he have done).

Damn, edits. He could've done, but he wouldn't have won in such circs. Or his team wouldn't, in the second one.
Edited Date: 2011-09-09 08:40 pm (UTC)

Re: continued...

Date: 2011-09-09 08:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fpb.livejournal.com
Which is why I said "probably".

This is nothing to do with anything, but I have wanted to say it for a while and I will. Athletics is my favourite sport, and of course nobody could possibly love athletics and not admire Bolt to bits. But I have to say that I have long suspected that behind all the clowning and showboating there was a strong, focused and intelligent personality, and now I am certain of it. When he got his start wrong in the 100mts, he blamed nobody but himself and did not even try to get himself reinstated. Sure, he was visibly angry and frustrated, but that was on the instant. When, the next day, journalists interviewed him, clearly expecting to find an angry nervous wreck, they found a calm, quiet-spoken man who just said that these things happen and that what matters is to deal with it and move on. And he did - spectacularly. That is a man who deserves admiration, not just as a supremely gifted athlete, but as a human being.

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