http://www.mercatornet.com/articles/view/the_listening_heart
As ever, the man is worth listening to. But the responses in the comments thread just show how bloody useless it is to deliver intellectually distinguished and morally valuable speeches in a world where most people know no history but are stuffed full of out-of-context factoids and believe themselves entitled to judge.
As ever, the man is worth listening to. But the responses in the comments thread just show how bloody useless it is to deliver intellectually distinguished and morally valuable speeches in a world where most people know no history but are stuffed full of out-of-context factoids and believe themselves entitled to judge.
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Date: 2011-09-29 02:30 pm (UTC)Re: Two
Date: 2011-09-29 07:41 pm (UTC)Re: Two
Date: 2011-10-05 02:00 pm (UTC)THERE WAS NO SUCH THING AS REPRESENTATIVE GOVERNMENT IN THE ANCIENT WORLD. The very principle was unknown. There were some elected magistracies, but they could as easily be appointed by lot; the important principle being, not the idea of representing the people in any way, but of fulfilling a public office in a way that prevented it being monopolized. The Greek cities were governed by assemblies of free citizens, with no elected grouping of any kind; Rome, by a Senate whose members were not selected but appointed by a magistrate, the Censor, who had no other duty but to appoint, control the behaviour, and if necessary dismiss, Senators. The relationship of the Roman Senate to the Roman people was precisely this, zero, and that is why the famous name of the Roman state, SPQR, emphasized both, "The Senate AND The People of Rome": they were two separate components of the State. The elected Parliament is a mediaeval invention, and through most of the middle ages it was the dominant institution in the Christian West, the more dominant the more rich and advanced were conditions - for instance, openly republican "communes" or city states dominated the rich landscape of Italy and of the Low Countries. Monarchy by divine right was invented by French theorists in the late fifteen hundreds, and had a short and ultimately catastrophic ride.
Re: Two
Date: 2011-10-05 08:05 pm (UTC)However, universal participation in politics of the kind we think of today when we say "democracy" is more recent, and an artifact of the continuing, ever-more-secular Enlightenment project that started in the late 14th century. These ended up including suffrage for women (opposed by the Catholic Church in the 19th and early 20th centuries, and spoken of disparagingly by the Catholic Encyclopedia of the time), non-whites and non-landed gentry, as well as the establishment of additional rights that did not exist during the middle ages or before.
Re: Two
Date: 2011-10-05 08:28 pm (UTC)Re: Two
Date: 2011-10-05 08:36 pm (UTC)