First: an old Italian proverb. "You cannot reason with a German, but you can give orders." Second: only argue with a liberal when they are in the right. The more they are in the wrong, the more they become obstinate and intractable.
Here (http://www.traditioninaction.org/History/A_003_Galileo.html) is an orthodox Catholic discussion of the Galileo issue, which I think is extremely interesting for what it says even without their interpretation. That naughty Galileo, presuming to do theology--what an astounding idea, to use reason and science to challenge the dominant Aristotelian paradigm. It's a little like the historical version of Ebert's Law.
-an anonymous reader, who considers this appellation as good as any other
The site you want me to consult (as if I did not know how to research history) is not a Catholic site. It is either schismatic, or next best thing to it. Go read their poisonous attacks on the current Pope if you want to get the real sense of who these people are. I do not take any responsibility for what they say, indeed, if I had the time, I would take pleasure in teaching them some sound theology. If you want to know what the Catholic Church - you know, the real thing, the one with its headquarters on that hill in Italy - thinks of Galileo, visit their website, instead of trawling the dregs of right-wing heresy.
Fabio P.Barbieri, who is not ashamed of his name or his opinions.
It's always refreshing to know that there is both left and right wing heresy, even for the relatively indifferent (such as myself). It certainly took the Catholic Church long enough to get around to declaring Galileo okay, though. How do you reconcile your opinions about the ordination of women with what the headquarters on the hill official promulgates--is it then okay because you are right and they are mistaken and will hopefully realize their errors?
It certainly took the Catholic Church long enough to get around to declaring Galileo OK.
They did not think about making declarations all that much; they were too busy making use of his discoveries. Or did you not know that, until about 1750, the Church employed more astronomers than any other public or private body in the world?
As for reconciling my view about the ordination of women, why don't you go to the place where I stated my view, to which I posted a link several times? It is at the end of this chapter: http://www.geocities.com/vortigernstudies/fabio/book7.5.htm. The issue is roughly the same as Galileo's: church teaching is infallible in matters of faith and morals - not in matters of history.
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Date: 2005-05-18 04:07 pm (UTC)-an anonymous reader, who considers this appellation as good as any other
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Date: 2005-05-18 07:28 pm (UTC)Fabio P.Barbieri, who is not ashamed of his name or his opinions.
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Date: 2005-05-18 08:03 pm (UTC)-much the same anonymous reader
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Date: 2005-05-18 08:46 pm (UTC)They did not think about making declarations all that much; they were too busy making use of his discoveries. Or did you not know that, until about 1750, the Church employed more astronomers than any other public or private body in the world?
As for reconciling my view about the ordination of women, why don't you go to the place where I stated my view, to which I posted a link several times? It is at the end of this chapter: http://www.geocities.com/vortigernstudies/fabio/book7.5.htm. The issue is roughly the same as Galileo's: church teaching is infallible in matters of faith and morals - not in matters of history.