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Pirate Jenny's anonymous backstabbers
I do not want to return to this disgusting topic again, except to answer any question, but I am in this whether I like it or not. The storm of insults allowed and encouraged by the contemptible Pirate Jenny, she who is neither a Nazi nor a Communist, continues unabated; most of them, with the classic moral courage of these creatures, being anonymous - while our non-Nazi friend continues to allow them and not to allow me to answer.
Now the point is not so much that this stuff is repulsive - of course it is; but that some people on my f-list seem under the impression that I have done something to deserve it, or that there is something to be said for the trash concerned. So I will publish, behind a cut, a representative letter, from a typical anonymous backstabber. You may judge whether this sort of nonsense can be explained by anything except mental problems on the part of the coward concerned.
This was my comment:
I once wrote a fic called GAY BAR, which featured a strangely subdued bar populated mostly by middle-aged or elderly gays, into which a drunk and unhappy post-war Harry Potter barges in to make trouble. Believe it or not, hundreds of people THINK they have read it and THINK that it features a nasty gaggle of threatening sexual predators endangering a virginal Draco Malfoy. They were told what to think, you see, and they would rather believe their friends than their own lying eyes.
This is the Nameless Wonder's response.
Subject: *hands you a clue*
How about you have a look at this sentence, and then claim you weren't actively trying to piss people off?
Draco could not know that Harry, who did not ordinarily drink to excess, had just been dumped by a boyfriend.
This manages to offend on two levels. First of all, there's the sudden, clunky change of perspective halfway through the narrative, which is one of the FIRST things the "How to Write" books tell you not to do (you've never read a "How To Write" book? Why is this not news to me?)
More importantly there's the use of the phrase "just been dumped by a boyfriend". It's highly offensive in its implications that gay men have nameless "boyfriends", not relationships, and that such relationships are casual throwaway affairs whose end merits no more serious description than the word "dumping".
And how about your statement that gays are fundamentally unhappy in the line "Millicent was telling me about the people who come into her counselling service, and a lot of the gay men either have no fathers or some sort of tragedy in their family history"? Or that disgusting "We'll have your children yet!" stuff, showing beyond all doubt that you believe gay = paedophile?
You write this shit, and then you stand there with your index finger to your lip like a five-year-old and say "Who, ME give offence? ME?"
We laugh at you, you pathetic, silly little man. Now go find something better to do with your time.
Let us assume that this rant is intended as an argument. The Nameless Wonder seems to imagine that to say that someone has "just been dumped by a boyfriend" implies an endles series of promiscuous relationships. Well, even if it did, the Nameless Wonder knows as well as I do that this is a pretty good description of the lifestyles of a fair few male homosexuals, especially when young. Yet the Nameless Wonder takes offence. The point however is that to anyone whose eyes are not glazed over by hatred, the expression means nothing of the kind. As if I could not say, as I indeed do say, "At the time I had just been dumped by a girlfriend" or "once I was betrayed by a friend." Does this imply that I would regard either girlfriends or friends as nameless and expendable? Anyone with the slightest notion of how human beings speak would say no. But our friend the Nameless Wonder is vigilant: he goes out searching for the tiniest little statement that may give offence, even if he has to deafen himself to every natural content and shape of the English language. And this person has the sheer chutzpah to lecture me about style! Vanity certainly rears its ugly children in strange places.
His folly unsatisfied by this display of aesthetic incompetence, he takes words which I had put in the mouth of Draco and his wife - when the ending of the story proves abundantly that they are unreformed criminals with a hankering for Dark Lords and mass murder - and assumes that they represent my position. As well imagine (si parua licet componere magnis) that Iago is the vehicle for Shakespeare's views. He then proceeds to do the same with a character who is raging drunk and desperately unhappy, and who is saying the worst things he can in order to spread around some of his own unhappiness - an unhappiness caused not, as the Nameless Wonder seems to imagine, by being homosexual, but by just having been dumped by someone he loved. All that the Nameless Wonder has managed by this attempt at a reading is to show that he has never in his life been in love, that he has no idea that being dumped can hurt, and that he has no notion that people in pain do strange things - especially if they are drunk.
And so, the Nameless Wonder, without the courage to sign his name, without the life experience to know love and loss, without the aesthetic understanding to tell the difference between the character and the author, and with less manners than a monkey, concluding his display of ignorance, folly, persecution-mindedness, and yelping stupidity, with a closing rant of which a Neapolitan street kid would be ashamed - pretending at some sort of superiority even as his shrill tone and empty verbiage condemns him to the dustcart of near-illiterates - and wanders off, his folly unpunished and his rants undisturbed, because his enabler, Pirate Jenny, wants this sort of behaviour to go on. And on. And on. This is what I am meeting, and while it would be nice to believe that the sheer meanness of these creatures would condemn them, I would remind anyone willing to take that easy way out that these are the same people and methods who produced Charitygate and the rest.
Now the point is not so much that this stuff is repulsive - of course it is; but that some people on my f-list seem under the impression that I have done something to deserve it, or that there is something to be said for the trash concerned. So I will publish, behind a cut, a representative letter, from a typical anonymous backstabber. You may judge whether this sort of nonsense can be explained by anything except mental problems on the part of the coward concerned.
This was my comment:
I once wrote a fic called GAY BAR, which featured a strangely subdued bar populated mostly by middle-aged or elderly gays, into which a drunk and unhappy post-war Harry Potter barges in to make trouble. Believe it or not, hundreds of people THINK they have read it and THINK that it features a nasty gaggle of threatening sexual predators endangering a virginal Draco Malfoy. They were told what to think, you see, and they would rather believe their friends than their own lying eyes.
This is the Nameless Wonder's response.
Subject: *hands you a clue*
How about you have a look at this sentence, and then claim you weren't actively trying to piss people off?
Draco could not know that Harry, who did not ordinarily drink to excess, had just been dumped by a boyfriend.
This manages to offend on two levels. First of all, there's the sudden, clunky change of perspective halfway through the narrative, which is one of the FIRST things the "How to Write" books tell you not to do (you've never read a "How To Write" book? Why is this not news to me?)
More importantly there's the use of the phrase "just been dumped by a boyfriend". It's highly offensive in its implications that gay men have nameless "boyfriends", not relationships, and that such relationships are casual throwaway affairs whose end merits no more serious description than the word "dumping".
And how about your statement that gays are fundamentally unhappy in the line "Millicent was telling me about the people who come into her counselling service, and a lot of the gay men either have no fathers or some sort of tragedy in their family history"? Or that disgusting "We'll have your children yet!" stuff, showing beyond all doubt that you believe gay = paedophile?
You write this shit, and then you stand there with your index finger to your lip like a five-year-old and say "Who, ME give offence? ME?"
We laugh at you, you pathetic, silly little man. Now go find something better to do with your time.
Let us assume that this rant is intended as an argument. The Nameless Wonder seems to imagine that to say that someone has "just been dumped by a boyfriend" implies an endles series of promiscuous relationships. Well, even if it did, the Nameless Wonder knows as well as I do that this is a pretty good description of the lifestyles of a fair few male homosexuals, especially when young. Yet the Nameless Wonder takes offence. The point however is that to anyone whose eyes are not glazed over by hatred, the expression means nothing of the kind. As if I could not say, as I indeed do say, "At the time I had just been dumped by a girlfriend" or "once I was betrayed by a friend." Does this imply that I would regard either girlfriends or friends as nameless and expendable? Anyone with the slightest notion of how human beings speak would say no. But our friend the Nameless Wonder is vigilant: he goes out searching for the tiniest little statement that may give offence, even if he has to deafen himself to every natural content and shape of the English language. And this person has the sheer chutzpah to lecture me about style! Vanity certainly rears its ugly children in strange places.
His folly unsatisfied by this display of aesthetic incompetence, he takes words which I had put in the mouth of Draco and his wife - when the ending of the story proves abundantly that they are unreformed criminals with a hankering for Dark Lords and mass murder - and assumes that they represent my position. As well imagine (si parua licet componere magnis) that Iago is the vehicle for Shakespeare's views. He then proceeds to do the same with a character who is raging drunk and desperately unhappy, and who is saying the worst things he can in order to spread around some of his own unhappiness - an unhappiness caused not, as the Nameless Wonder seems to imagine, by being homosexual, but by just having been dumped by someone he loved. All that the Nameless Wonder has managed by this attempt at a reading is to show that he has never in his life been in love, that he has no idea that being dumped can hurt, and that he has no notion that people in pain do strange things - especially if they are drunk.
And so, the Nameless Wonder, without the courage to sign his name, without the life experience to know love and loss, without the aesthetic understanding to tell the difference between the character and the author, and with less manners than a monkey, concluding his display of ignorance, folly, persecution-mindedness, and yelping stupidity, with a closing rant of which a Neapolitan street kid would be ashamed - pretending at some sort of superiority even as his shrill tone and empty verbiage condemns him to the dustcart of near-illiterates - and wanders off, his folly unpunished and his rants undisturbed, because his enabler, Pirate Jenny, wants this sort of behaviour to go on. And on. And on. This is what I am meeting, and while it would be nice to believe that the sheer meanness of these creatures would condemn them, I would remind anyone willing to take that easy way out that these are the same people and methods who produced Charitygate and the rest.
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(Anonymous) 2006-06-22 02:25 pm (UTC)(link)More importantly there's the use of the phrase "just been dumped by a boyfriend". It's highly offensive in its implications that gay men have nameless "boyfriends",
Excuse while I hold my sides and fall over laughing.
Riiighhh I've heard people say they've been dumped by there finace.
Well gee! Clearly then that was an attack on all engaged couples imlying straight people become engaged to facles people and have insignifcant relationships! Geee I never knew.
I mean honestly.
Like I said, can't speak for the whole fic, but if that's an example if "highly offensive" oh good lord.
I could write more about the inherent dumbass assumption of the reviewer but they fixed my password issues and now I can work (yay -_-)
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In my experience, most of these anonymice wank about things just for the sake of wank. I try not to involve myself in fandoms mostly because I don't have the time and energy to invest in it. I've got a house to run, a child to take care of, and another one on the way, and being active in a fandom takes up gads of time.
I was introduced to you via the Blaise Zabini debacle, and though I didn't agree with your opinion then, as I don't agree with your writing now, I was impressed by your eloquent arguments towards your detractors. Most people on this crazy thing called the internet tend to plow headlong into an argument full of WTF's and ZOMG's and other such internet chatter. Which, while it is completely their right, it doesn't impress upon one their ability to solidly argue their point.
I do not belong to journalfen, and I only read things from fandom_wank when I'm linked to them, but to wrap this already long comment up, what I'm struggling valiantly to convey is this. Most of the people who attack you on these forums are those who have little or no talent of their own, and/or have an incessant need for attention. So my advice is this. If you haven't by some miracle figured this out already, it doesn't matter how little or how much you argue your point. They've made up their minds about you from the start, and nothing you say will change them.
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BTW, have you ever read any other of my fics? I suspect you might like a few of them, such as It Was All on Account of the Little Russian Girl or Harry Potter and the Ice Princess.
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I have not read any of your other fics. Are they hosted in the same archive as Gay Bar?
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I have not yet gone to FA, but I will after a bit. I need to do some cleaning around the house before it gets too warm. We've a forecasted high of 103F for today.
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I cannot convey how much comtempt and justifiable hatred I carry for heat. Most especially as I am 6 1/2 months pregnant, and thus my body is 10% hotter than the rest of the human population.
The only thing redeeming you from placement on my "shit list" is that I have a pool. And I shall be visiting it this afternoon and evening.
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Being female, is sometimes a rather difficult task.
Hey, I had not paid attention before...
Re: Hey, I had not paid attention before...
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(Anonymous) 2006-06-22 07:47 pm (UTC)(link)http://www.journalfen.net/community/otf_wank/419956.html#cutid1
I say, even through the bias, fpb's nobility of mind is shining.
~fpb's secret admirer~
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You have the courage to stand out against your beliefs and justify, defend, and explain them until you're blue in the face. It takes balls and courage to not ever back down from your opinions. I have seen you take a stance on something, and alter your opinion when proven wrong, and for that I admire you.
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I shall endeavor to pick up that tome on my next visit to a bookshop. :o)
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I decided not to waste the opportunity.
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You might want to join a community here on LJ called
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*snark* I love when people tell me or others that we're trying to act superior/feel we're superior, just because they don't believe the same things and/or cannot/choose not to defend themselves.
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I'm pro-choice because as a woman who's been in certain situations, I don't believe our government should ever have the right to dictate what a woman can do regarding her own body, and anything implanted in it, whether accidentally, or by force.
And I am pro-euthanasia, mostly because in my life I have seen entirely too many animals and humans alike suffer. For no reason. One of my close friends' grandmother was hit by a car. She had absolutely no brain activity. No spontaneous movement. She would most likely live another 15 years or more on life support, draining the hospital of it's resources, taking up space in a convalescent facility, using her and her husband's life savings and everything else her family could spare just to keep her alive by machine. Thankfully she had an advanced directive. Her husband, though completely grief-stricken, honored her wishes. He had her removed from life support. And though I don't fully believe in supernatural occurences, he swore that the day after she died as he was sleeping, she visited him in the night and thanked him for his selfless decision. It's reasons such as that which keep my mind open when it comes to euthanasia.
I do recognize that there are exceptions to every rule, and while I do not militantly espouse these views, I would do my level best to defend them, were I attacked for them. So I was quite in agreement with you vis-a-vis your stance on how she chose to try and defend her position.
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That icon was made from a remark made by a jewish character from a roleplaying game I'm in, and was not made by me. It's an icon I usually only use in connection with the OOC comm for that game. I didn't read all of the essay you linked me to yet, as I should have left the computer 2 hours ago, but I will definitely save it and read it at a later date.
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Happiness is friend-shaped.
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I don't smoke it myself, but I've said more than once that I hardly see the harm if a bunch of potheads want to get stoned out of their minds. It's the least likely of all the drugs to cause violence and hysteria. Virtually every person I've ever met stoned has been mellow on the stuff. And to top it all off, it's not a physically addicting drug such as speed, heroin, cocaine, and crack.
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I don't like to have my friends trash each other, even though technically people have a right to say whatever they want. And I personally wish you guys would stop saying shit about each other publically. That's just my personal opinion, and I plan on saying it to everyone now when my friends talk about each other publically.
As I've said before, you were my first friend and you are important to me, but I wanted to tell you how I feel.
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It's hard to know when to say nothing, and when to speak up, when watching the fur fly between my friends, and I don't know always know the right thing to say, but sometimes I feel I should speak up.
I don't like the public fighting among some of my friends, and I'm just letting them know. They can do what they like with my opinion.
I'm not going to let anyone change my feelings about my friends, including my other friends. Which I've said to some others involved in the fighting amongst my flist.
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