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fpb ([personal profile] fpb) wrote2007-10-30 01:05 am

A great writer. But... Christian?

Joanne K. Rowling and Christianity


Christianity is not just another word for decency. There can be no doubt that if a Christian lived out the full implications of the doctrines he or she believes, he or she would live a morally very impressive life; but the defining feature of the Christian is not his or her moral excellence, but his or her faith. That is, to be a Christian, you have to take a certain number of propositions as true. It is, in other words, possible to be a Christian scoundrel; and not impossible, according to Christian doctrine, to be a Christian and damned. (St.James: “Faith without work is dead… Even the demons believe – and tremble!”)

And that is not really surprising: it is the defining feature of any religious or philosophical identity, from Platonists to Mormons to atheists. Only, Christianity makes it even more evident, by making faith itself into a positive virtue. Other religions do not do that. Without going into the thicket of how or why, which is beside the point here, let us just note the basic point: Christianity is a doctrine, not a rule of behaviour, and a Christian is a person who accepts that doctrine, not a person who behaves correctly.

Which is why I was astonished beyond telling when, years ago, I was informed that JK Rowling was supposed to be one. A great writer – of course; and this I will defend in the face of all the snobs who think a simple style and a popular subject matter signs of inferiority. The bearer of a set of attractive, indeed noble, attitudes and moral teachings; yes, indeed. A Christian? Why? How? There was no sign whatsoever in any of her writing, of any understanding, let alone acceptance, of any properly Christian doctrine. In my mind, I had already placed her with the admirable heathens, a race by no means extinct today, and triumphant in Britain.

(At the time, mind you, I had already defended her against the silly attacks on her use of witchcraft, made on her in the name of Christianity and even – alas – of Catholic doctrine. But that did not mean that I considered her a Christian – only a noble writer and nothing like a Satanist. At any rate, the Satanists I read are mostly dreadful writers.)

Once I found out that the information was true, I decided I would wait for the end of the saga – which looked within sight at the time, though it would take more than two years to come – before I made up my mind. And now it has finally come. And it has brought plenty of evidence about Mrs.Rowling’s philosophy and beliefs.

We can start with a central statement of what the story regards as wisdom. We are near the climax. Battle is coming. But one of the dreadful Horcruxes, receptacles of torn bits of soul, by which Voldemort is kept alive and immortal, is not yet found. Meanwhile, Voldemort is on his way, and almost nobody is ready to resist him. To find the Horcrux, and to begin the revolt against the tyrant, two characters must enter Ravenclaw House – the House of Wisdom of Hogwarts. Now, other houses are entered by knowing the password: but Ravenclaw has no password. You have to answer a gnomic (wisdom) question correctly (a beautiful invention, by the way – typical of JKR’s superlative imagination) or else wait till someone who can will help you.

Let me underline the importance of this. We are faced with a structural part of the approaching climax: unless Harry enters Ravenclaw House, he will not find the Horcrux; and unless he and Professor McGonagall meet, there will be no battle – with the teachers still unaware, Voldemort will come upon Hogwarts by surprise and do whatever he will. The fundamental role of the riddles is echoed by their structural importance in the school: they are built into Ravenclaw House, that is, they are an essential component of the structure of Hogwarts. The “wisdom” they contain is built into Hogwarts. And another brilliant plotting invention underlines their significance: Minerva McGonagall only turns up at all because the crude and stupid Amycus Carrow, one of Voldemort’s henchmen, cannot enter on his own. He has no wisdom. And what is worse, instead of getting the point of this, he starts insulting and threatening the truly wise McGonagall as soon as she has shown hers by getting through where he was unable to pass. Not only does he have no wisdom, but he stupidly despises those who have. From then on, not only Minerva and Harry, but the prose itself, treat him with contempt. It is not necessary to be wise to be admitted into the house of Wisdom, but it is necessary to respect those who are: Harry, who, like Carrow, cannot answer himself, gets in because he has treated Luna, who can, with respect – and indeed, he has done so from the beginning, even when she seemed more dotty than wise.

So what is the wisdom built into Hogwarts? We have two samples of it. One: “Which came first, the phoenix or the flame? Answer: a circle has no beginning.” Two: “Where do Vanished objects go? Answer: into non-being, that is to say, everything.”

Though pointed specifically at issues of Hogwarts magic as we have learned to know it, both these questions have a specific philosophical content that is totally contrary to Christian doctrine. The first denies the very idea of Creation (and, incidentally, the scientific theory of Evolution), by positing that a specific magical bird who renews itself from flame had no beginning in time. The second denies the fundamental Christian (and Aristotelian) contradiction between being and non-being, from which the very idea of Creation springs: that is, that God created the world out of nothing.

JKR’s boldness is in fact rather fascinating. A lot of fanfic writers have grappled with the issue of vanishing, materializing, or transfigurating objects, which JKR’s wizards regularly do. Every one of them, to the best of my knowledge, simply had the vanished objects reappear somewhere else, or the materialized ones being taken from somewhere else; in unconscious obedience to the scientific law that “nothing is created, nothing is destroyed, everything is transformed.” But this law, in turns, rests on the religious and philosophical concepts that existence is certain, limited, and defined by non-existence, and that A is not non-A. JKR firmly denies it. According to her second question – answered by the Transfiguration expert Minerva McGonagall, who ought to know about it – vanished objects are simply taken up in a state of non-being which is also and at the same time a state of ultimate being. From this state, wizards can evidently also draw the resources to materialize objects, as they not infrequently do, and I do not think it is too far-fetched to imagine that Transfiguration also makes use of it. It is, after all, another instance of violating Aristotle’s Law of Non-Contradiction. To Aristotle, a table cannot be a pig; but in the hands of Minerva McGonagall, a table can be a pig, a pig can be a table, and both can both be and not be by being made one with a non-being that is one with everything.

The notion that non-being is equal with total being is a paradoxical and fascinating one, but in Christian terms it is simple heresy. “God said: Let there be light. And there was light.” The Pagan writer we know as Longinus regarded this as a proper instance of the sublime in literature, since it was a suitable instance of God speaking as God ought – perhaps the only one. But to postulate a connection between non-being and ultimate being is to deny that there is any need of an active will, of an active command, of a choice, for the latter to be created from the former. It is Hegel’s attempt to overcome the dichotomy of Sein and Nichts, Being and Nothing, by postulating an intermediate stage called Werden, becoming. And Rowling’s wizards and witches are masters of becoming.

So much for ontology (the philosophy of being); except for the never-sufficiently-underlined fact that these statements of “wisdom” are a serious matter, serious in the extreme, placed at the hinge of fate where victory or defeat will be decided, and built into Hogwarts itself. The next issue is anthropology (the philosophy of man).

If JKR’s view of ontology was placed at a central moment of the story, her view of anthropology is placed at one that is, if possible, even more significant. Harry has just died. He meets his dead former teacher in a curious, faint otherwordly place; and his teacher instructs him about life and death – mostly, by hints.

The Christian position in these matters is certain: “Man is destined to die only once, and after that the judgement” – Hebrews 9.27. All other views are incompatible with Christian teaching. It is worth pointing out that, in the early days of the Church, this was a truly revolutionary statement. All the Mediterranean civilizations, not only Greek or Romans, but also Syrians, Egyptians and so on, shared two views on the possible destiny of man: either everlasting reincarnation in a sequence of succeeding ages, or simple annihilation. The two friends who were the greatest Roman poets who ever lived, Virgil and Horace, disagreed on this: Virgil gave a splendid account of the sequel of incarnations in the sixth book of his Aeneid, while Horace repeated in several poems that even the wisest and greatest men of the past are dust and ashes now, and only the fame given by the poets remain.

A monument I built hardier than bronze,
Placed on a kingly site above the Pyramids,
Which not devouring rain, arrogant winds
Shall yet destroy, nor the train beyond counting
Of years that follow, and the flight of time.
I shall not wholly die; a mighty part
Of me shall avoid Hell, and I shall grow
In future praise, ever young, ever renewed
As long as priests and silent virgins scan the Capitol.
It shall be said, where the violent Aufidus rushes
And where Daunus, poor in water, ruled the nations
That till his fields, that I, from small estate
Grew mighty in words, and that I was the prince
Of those who took Aeolian song to Italy. Be proud
Of the merits achieved by your great art,
And grant my head the laurels, Melpomene.

(Horace, Ode 3.30; my translation)

Yes, this is not much to the point; but please allow me the pleasure of a mighty poem as we pass through and look. My point is that the Christian doctrine of a single death and immediate judgement – which is not even common to all Jews and all Muslims, as both religions have deviant branches which believe in reincarnation – was a complete break with the past, and as such is highly, profoundly defining of Christian doctrine.

Now what does JKR do with death? The answer is: anything and everything but the clear, undisputed Christian doctrine. No, that is not quite fair. Another thing she denies is that death is the complete end, as Horace understood it. But Dumbledore remains deliberately vague about what would happen if Harry resolved to leave his life behind altogether; he only says that he would – travel on. Whatever this means, the one thing it cannot possibly mean is the judgement awaiting all the dead according to Christian doctrine (the novissimi or Four Last Things: Death, Judgement, Hell, Heaven). It has a clear suggestion of post mortem spiritual evolution that has nothing to do with Christianity, whereas it can suggest both reincarnation and a completely different doctrine – the doctrine of post-mortal spiritual advance.

First, a qualification. Many Protestants will assert that the Catholic doctrine of Purgatory is no different from a doctrine of post-mortal spiritual advance. But that is not the case. People who enter Purgatory have already been judged; Purgatory is no more than the ante-chamber of Paradise. There is a lot of difference between Purgatory and the doctrine that the soul can grow and change after death. This is a doctrine hinted at in Goethe’s Faust, and taught, if I understand correctly, by the Mormons. And this, it seems to me, is the most natural and likely meaning of Dumbledore’s hint about travelling on and taking trains.

Another very strong suggestion dropped by the King’s Cross chapter is that the soul can, post mortem, pretty much set its own parameters and create, if not its own reality, at least its own interpretation of reality. Harry experiences the opening of life after death in a form that reminds him of King’s Cross station, and that is because that particular station had that particular meaning for him. Dumbledore goes as far as to say that there is no contradiction between the proposition that Harry’s experience is real and the proposition that it all takes place in his own mind. Whatever this means, one thing at least is certain – that it totally and completely denies Christian teaching. Christian doctrine teaches, first, that what we shall experience in the beyond is beyond any of our own imagination, to the extent that even trying to imagine it exposes us to the risk of idolatry (making inadequate and misleading images, and then wasting worship on them); second, that far from being unreal – or “taking place in your own head” – it is infinitely more real than created reality; and third, that it involves the resurrection of the body in a glorified form. This bears on the whole business of things taking place “in your own head,” which becomes pretty meaningless when we reflect on the promise of a celestial but wholly corporeal body.

As for its moral meaning, the first thing that comes to mind is that this is pure relativism, pushed to the point of solipsism – “everything is taking place in your own mind”. And relativism, or Bulverism as C.S.Lewis called it, is in my experience the chief intellectual sin of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. But to leave it at that would not be fair to the evidence. The beyond in which Harry is plunged, while it reflects his own mind and experience, is not solipsistic. He encounters a maimed and whimpering being who evokes both pity and disgust; and we are told that this is what is left of the many-times-maimed soul of Voldemort. Description and implication are both memorable:

It had the form of a small, naked child, curled on the ground, its skin raw and rough, flayed-looking, and it lay shuddering under a seat, where it had been left, unwanted, stuffed out of sight, struggling for breath.
He
[Harry] was afraid of it. Small and fragile and wounded though it was, he did not want to approach it. Nevertheless, he drew steadily nearer, ready to jump back at any moment. Soon he stood near enough to touch it, yet he could not bring himself to do it. He felt like a coward. He ought to comfort it, but it repulsed him.

Here, I simply cannot praise JKR’s moral imagination enough. The mystery of evil’s self-inflicted suffering, terrible beyond words yet beyond compassion and redemption, has never in all literature been so simply, pregnantly, magisterially described. If anyone thinks otherwise, let them quote a passage – any passage. And the progression is so perfect that we actually know the next line – “You cannot help” – before we read, and know who is going to speak it, and who he speaks it about. Of course, it is Albus Dumbledore; and of course, the thing that whimpers is what is left of Voldemort.

This scene tells us several things. However close to solipsism it may seem, JKR’s view of the afterlife is not solipsistic. Harry perceives the pain, horror and isolation of Voldemort, and perceives it from the outside – that is, as that of a person extraneous to himself: as that of a real person. This is not his own closed world: other people, real people, Dumbledore, Voldemort, exist in it. Indeed, when you analyze the discussion between Harry and Dumbledore, you find that Dumbledore repeatedly fails Harry’s expectations, either for better or for worse. For instance, it is my very strong feeling that a young man in Harry’s position would want his mentor to be strong, decisive, without guilt or self-doubt, and I think there is little doubt that Dumbledore’s outburst of guilt leaves him unsettled when he least needs it. Dumbledore is full of information Harry cannot possibly know, and makes guesses. This is not merely a reflection of Harry’s own mind: real people are present. The best explanation I can think of for what JKR was trying to say is this: she was trying to design a world of discorporate minds, in which only the apparatus of the mind is active – with no physical reality, no bodies, and hence no real senses. Harry’s mind perceives Dumbledore’s mind, and Voldemort’s mind, on his own terms; no doubt, if we saw through Dumbledore’s eyes, we would see something very different, and through Voldemort’s, something different still. But the contact between minds is real, and the information they exchange is real. I need hardly add that this disincarnate afterlife directly contradicts – once again – the Christian belief in the resurrection of the body.

JKR’s attitude to death, though noble in itself, is built on much less impressive intellectual foundations. Death is to be accepted and courageously faced; all well and good, though, again, pagan rather than Christian. Socrates said it better: “And now we all go, I to die and you to live. But which of us has the happier lot, only God knows.” And when her imagination raises the possibility – hardly inconceivable in a world where the Law of Non-Contradiction is abolished! – that a man may become the Master of Death, the response her intellect comes up with is weak in the extreme. It is nothing but a restatement – in different terms – of the old necessitarian doctrine that the acceptance of what is inevitable is true liberty. The “master of Death” is he who can look death in the face and accept it.

I wonder whether there is a single reader, older than twelve perhaps, who has found this a satisfactory statement. It is, to begin with, a very curious notion of mastery, certainly out of keeping with any other expressed even in the book: Minerva McGonagall is not the mistress of Transfiguration because she surrenders to Transfiguration, is she now? Everywhere else in the novels, and in ordinary English, mastery means control, not acceptance. Here, it means acceptance. What is more, it means a complete surrender of the possibility to know. The other connotation that the word “mastery” normally has, is profound and correct knowledge; but there is no indication that the Master of Death in the Rowling sense of the term knows anything more about death as such than anyone else. At no point in any of the seven novels are we told anything about its nature and what makes it so terrible (given that the one thing we are told is that the mind survives – and if the mind survives, what is there to fear?). And Rowling’s effective intellectual surrender on this point, her lack of any effort to take in and explain what death is and why it is there, makes death, in effect, a wholly arbitrary presence. It is a mighty presence right from the beginning; even the fairly light-hearted first novel opens with the fact that Harry is an orphan – and his parents’ death quickly becomes a major issue – and closes with a death-struggle that leaves a teacher dead. But she never tries to invent a myth of death, as she invents myths for just about any other subject that concerns her. She can render, emotionally, the impact of death, none better; the chapter on Dumbledore’s funeral is perhaps the finest in the whole heptad; as it should be expected from a writer who wrote her whole cycle in the shadow of the early and cruel death of her own beloved mother. But she does nothing to grapple with it intellectually. From beginning to end, death is simply an arbitrary, unexplained, destructive force.

(It is my own view that this springs from a defect in her philosophy. If she takes seriously the “wisdom” expressed in the two riddles I examined, then there is no place for death in her system – for the cessation of existence, for a nothing which is NOT at the same time everything. And on the other hand, having experienced the full force of its arbitrary cruelty, JKR is not disposed to deploy the resources of pantheistic doctrine to reduce its meaning or pretend that it is anything less than annihilation and ultimate loss.)

The Christian doctrine on this matter is not exactly unknown either. “The wages of sin is death.” Death entered the universe because of sin, because of the Fall. The Christian writer Thomas Browne expressed the ultimate meaning of this most beautifully: “I am not so much afraid of death, as ashamed thereof.” And indeed, this is an instinctive reaction to death and its surroundings. Most ancient religions required that burials and cemeteries should be outside the city walls (as a result, by the late Roman Empire, every major Roman city was approached through thickets of ancient funeral monuments, sometimes as large as palaces). The Hindus, who firmly believe in reincarnation, nevertheless regard death and everything connected with it as simply impure, and treat the burning grounds where their dead are cremated with horror, abandoning them, apart from the ceremonies, to filthy animals and hermits who placed themselves deliberately outside society. The shame, as much as the fear, of death, is a widespread feeling.

It is therefore interesting that there is practically nothing in JKR’s writings to suggest it. Horror and shame are associated with cases where death is not respected, not left alone, not allowed to take place and be done: in particular, the episode of the Inferi in the lake and the animation of Bathilda Bagshot’s corpse. Normally, and unless some corrupt will meddles with it, death in JKR has no taint of shame to it. And this, perhaps, is the place where she is furthest not just from Christian doctrine, but from Christian feeling. For if the grave has no shame, cruelty, or horror about it, then the notion that God can overcome it has no great value, and Easter no meaning. And we notice that, unlike Hallowe’en and Christmas, Easter never plays any role in any of the novels.

So far, so pagan. JKR’s views would have been at home in ancient Rome or Athens. But at one or two points, she is not even as far along as the great pagans of the past. Compare Dumbledore’s frightened and selfish attitude to political office to the rolling thunder of Socrates’ patriotism (which I will publish separately, for fear of making this essay too long). Is it not clear that, just as he accepts death at the hands of his country’s laws, so Socrates would accept high office (and in fact he had done some) if ordered to? Dumbledore had been offered the post of Minister at least four times, and he was more qualified for it than any other candidate. Duty to his country and to the laws, let alone the existence of a dreadful political danger of which he knew more than any man alive, demanded he should accept; he preferred to indulge his fears and self-disgust, and let through inferior candidates, one of whom proceeded to place the whole country in danger.

Patriotism, in fact, is a virtue wholly unknown in Harry Potter’s world. It is replaced by provinciality. Nobody has to worry about the fate of Britain as Britain, or of England as England and Scotland as Scotland, because the world beyond them barely exists. The only danger known is internal – for all we know, Voldemort is active exclusively in Britain. Foreign policy is, quite literally, not required. Where foreign relations are mentioned, it is with shallow and uncomprehending hippy talk about unity and friendship which, if quoted, would sink Dumbledore’s reputation as a sage. One gross failure of imagination shows how alien the whole concept is to JKR: the monument to the fallen in Godric’s Hollow, which magically disguises a monument to the Potter family. Now, it does not take a PhD in history to know that the monuments to the fallen in Britain – indeed, all across Europe – were all built within a few years of the end of World War One, to commemorate, on all sides, the unprecedented effort and loss of a whole generation. As everyone knows, every British village has one, because every British village lost men. But the Potters did not die in 1918. So what is the story here? Did Godric’s Hollow, implausibly, have no Monument to the Fallen until the local wizards raised one to the Potters – presumably some time in the eighties? Or did such a monument exist, and then get magically transfigured, or even destroyed and replaced, for the one to the Potters? That would have been sacrilegious, an outrage to the dead. Either way does not make sense, and shows clearly that, where patriotism is concerned, JKR does not bother to think. It would have been easy enough to deal with this topic without being offensive, too: just add, at the end of the inevitable list of the village Fallen in World Wars One and Two, the two names, James Potter, Lily Evans Potter, in letters readable only by wizards. That would have placed them where they deserved to be – among the honourable list of those who gave their lives for freedom and for their country. And that is not because JKR does not feel the value and honour of dying for a good cause: to the contrary, it underlies her whole narrative. It is because, to her, history is at best a joke and at worst a nightmare. The mere fact that she had the all-wise Dumbledore allow the hopeless Binns to go on teaching it – with the certain effect that dozens of successive generations would leave Hogwarts full of ignorance laced with contempt for the subject – says all that needs be said about her views. (As a historian, I find them appalling. I had once planned an article on JKR’s view of history, but I gave it up as too depressing a subject.)

This is relevant because if there is a religion that is historical in its nature, claims and structure, that is Christianity. Hinduism, Mormonism, Buddhism, even Hebraism, could survive an attack on their historical claims, because their centre is the doctrine, the philosophy, the attitude, the code of laws; but without the actual death and resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth, son of Mary, outside the city of Jerusalem, by decree of the Jewish Sanhedrin and the Roman Procurator Pontius Pilatus, in or about the year 33AD, Christianity is nothing. A person who treats history with the ignorant contempt JKR does, does not even have the grounding on which a properly Christian faith – a faith in the actual death and resurrection of Our Lord Jesus Christ – can be based.

At Godric’s Hollow, Harry and Hermione meet with the past, with history, and with the faith of their fathers. The village is steeped in history, of which the death of Harry’s parents is only a small part. But they get almost nothing from it. Both of them being Muggle-raised, they do not have even the ordinary wizarding lore that would have allowed Ron to tell them about Ignotus Peverell and maybe make the connection with the symbol on the grave. They are aliens – aliens to their own past, aliens even to Harry’s own family history. And what is more, the oh-so-widely-read Hermione proves that she has no idea of the New Testament (“It means… you know… living after death” – not if you know anything about Revelation, it does not) and that Harry has never heard a single line of Scripture all his life (“Isn’t that a Death Eater idea?”). So, in the end, what they do when they come upon the little village church is almost mythologically typical and perfect: they look at it from outside, they see the lights and a Christmas carol being sung, they are made aware that the great Christian holiday is on its way – they remain outside in the cold, and pass it by.

One observation

[identity profile] johncwright.livejournal.com 2007-10-25 09:11 pm (UTC)(link)
As usual, an excellent essay. I have only one comment: sometimes in a scene, a writer portrays, not what his own convictions are, but what matches the mood and atmosphere of the scene. For example, in the scene in Ravenclaw where Minerva answers the ultimate riddle with a paradox that being is nonbeing, this riddling wisdoms sounds, and is meant to sound, to the reader like the riddling wisdom of the Gnostic, like a Zen koan, like all the paradoxes in poems and and fairy tales were wisdom is hidden in something that seems to mean nothing. It is the kind of thing a reader sort of half expects and half recognizes as "secret wisdom" -- especially the secret wisdom wizards are supposed to possess in children's stories.

In this case, neither the reader nor the writer take it very seriously, one hopes. It is not even as profound as the wisdom in the movie version of WIZARD OF OZ, where the carney showman tells the party of adventurers that they possessed all the prizes they sought all along, deep within them (a pretty sentiment, not in keeping with Christianity, but a fair enough slogan for encouraging a self-doubting but talented child).

The scene is King's Cross may or may not have been the afterlife of the Wizarding World in Rowling: it had more the flavor (at least, so it seemed to me) of a twilight zone on a very bounds of death. It was perhaps a prophetic dream, a dream in which a ghost appears and other symbols, but not the Final Destination (and, yes, even the Final Judgment) toward which the trains run. The ghost, sure enough, is really bringing a message from The Great Beyond, but the other dream-elements may be only in the eye of the beholder, in this case, Harry.

The idea of additional incarnations and spiritual growth is also, not by coincidence, very much in the mood and flavor of the modern New Age mysticism and old fashioned Christian heresies. To me, this looks like JK Rowling fitting her work both to her own tastes (and prejudices) and to those of her expect4ed audience. Anything too Christian would repel children raised on a steady diet of modernist propaganda in film and storybook, those same usual suspects who recoil from C.S. Lewis.

What we have here is an odd combination. Mrs. Rowling says she is a Christian, and I have no reason to doubt her word; but she lives and moves and breaths in a moral atmosphere profoundly alien (and even hostile) to Christianity, the tolerant multi-culti pro-perversion atmosphere of modern Left-leaning political correctness. She is a Christian who has the faith, but not the mood or flavor of traditional Christianity, a condition she shares with many a churchman in England.

Re: One observation

[identity profile] mrmandias.livejournal.com 2007-10-25 10:26 pm (UTC)(link)
I think this is close to the truth of it.

Re: One observation

[identity profile] fpb.livejournal.com 2007-10-26 07:42 pm (UTC)(link)
I would not say that the "wisdom" questions are silly - unless, of course, you are willing to call Hegelism, much of Hinduism and all of Buddhism silly. The coincidentia oppositorum is an old topic of mysticism. My point is that, in this form, it is not Christian. And that goes along with my other point, that Christianity is first of all a doctrine, a set of views and beliefs. You can disagree with it without being "silly" - although, in my view and yours, you would be wrong. Incidentally, this has something to do with your extraordinary mistreatment of [personal profile] solitary_summer: you are too prone to believe that Christianity is self-evident and opposite viewpoints merely foolish. Beware of rudeness and bigotry.

OK, Two Observations

[identity profile] johncwright.livejournal.com 2007-10-25 09:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Like many authors, her book is wiser than the author who pens it. The needs of drama required, for example, the author to portray the nuclear family as intensely positive, the Weasleys, as traditional, with a housewife doing the cooking and cleaning, and as many children as a Catholic family (if you'll pardon the expression), this in sharp contrast to Harry's orphaned isolation. Family values indeed! The drama allowed no room for normal PC multi-cultist pieties to be announced: so we never saw alternate living arrangements, or Heather's Two Moms.

The satisfactory culmination of the plot required (so that Ron would be Harry's brother-in-law twice over, and Harry joined to the Weasleys with two bonds) for old-fashioned PERMANENT man-and-wife monogamous matrimony to combine Ron and Hermione, Harry and Ginny.

The drama required Harry's death to be its own miniature Passion, comforted, if not by angels, at least by the beloved dead as he walks to his death, culminating in his resurrection.

Fantasy more than any other genre is unshackled by the mere needs of real-world laws and expectations. The needs of drama take the place of the limits of the real world. The needs of drama lend themselves quite easily and willingly to the Christian message, with its moral character of hope even beyond the grave, and lend themselves quite awkwardly to the unheroic and unromantic and unhumorous puritan and Marxist pieties that form the core of the politically correct world view.

Even those who believe their views must tell our style of stories.

Re: OK, Two Observations

[identity profile] mrmandias.livejournal.com 2007-10-25 10:25 pm (UTC)(link)
The satisfactory culmination of the plot required (so that Ron would be Harry's brother-in-law twice over, and Harry joined to the Weasleys with two bonds) for old-fashioned PERMANENT man-and-wife monogamous matrimony to combine Ron and Hermione, Harry and Ginny.

Does Hermione have some kind of blood tie or adoption tie to Harry? I don't remember that at all, but my recall isn't great.

Re: OK, Two Observations

[identity profile] johncwright.livejournal.com 2007-10-26 01:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Sorry, no, your memory is correct: I stated it awkwardly. Ron is not only Harry's best friend and brother-in-law, but by marrying Hermione, Harry best friend, Ron becomes Harry's Friend-in-Law, so to speak. When he goes to visit Hermione Weasley, he can visit Hermione and the Weasley clan at the same time. That's all I meant.

[identity profile] mrmandias.livejournal.com 2007-10-25 10:23 pm (UTC)(link)
I think you're too hard on Rowling. I don't just say that because, as a Mormon, I prefer to think that the central message and purpose of the Christ was to establish the truths of creation ex nihilo and immediate post-mortem judgment and resurrection; but because I think that its not necessary for a fictional work to capture a full theological system for it to teach Christian truths and therefore be Christian. In my mind the idea of salvifically dying for one's friends is Christian. That said, I agree with most your particulars, including the vapidity of the Ravenclaw wisdom and Rowling's shrivelled notion of duties to the state.

A few quibbles:

[Faith] is the defining feature of any religious or philosophical identity, from Platonists to Mormons to atheists. Only, Christianity makes it even more evident, by making faith itself into a positive virtue.

Mormons (who I would argue are Christians) teach that faith, hope, and charity are positive virtues.

There is a lot of difference between Purgatory and the doctrine that the soul can grow and change after death. This is a doctrine hinted at in Goethe’s Faust, and taught, if I understand correctly, by the Mormons.

Interesting. Of Mormons that have an opinion on that subject, a minority believe that fundamental change is possible after death while most would say that the growth and change a person undergoes after death is just the following of the trajectory the person embraced in life.

, Mormonism, Buddhism, even Hebraism, could survive an attack on their historical claims, because their centre is the doctrine, the philosophy, the attitude, the code of laws;

This is almost 100% contrary to fact, with respect to Mormonism (and, I think, with respect to Judaism). Mormonism's two fundamental claims are historical:

(1) the actual death and resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth, son of Mary, outside the city of Jerusalem, by decree of the Jewish Sanhedrin and the Roman Procurator Pontius Pilatus, in or about the year 33AD

(2) the appearance of that same Jesus to a lad named Joseph Smith, his use of that lad to establish a Church, and his ongoing direction of the same

A (3) third claim, which is almost as fundamental, is also historical, i.e., that Christ also appeared to inhabitants of the Americas, a record of which event was preserved and transmitted to modern times through miraculous means.

Everything else that is Mormon follows from the above three claims.

[identity profile] fpb.livejournal.com 2007-10-26 07:37 pm (UTC)(link)
I do beg your pardon, and withdraw unreservedly the remarks you refute. When it comes to the views and religions of others, my statements are always "under correction".

[identity profile] mrmandias.livejournal.com 2007-10-26 08:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you so much. I enjoy your writing and, if I may say so without causing you too much discomfort, your character.

[identity profile] mrmandias.livejournal.com 2007-10-27 02:22 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't just say that because, as a Mormon, I prefer to think that the central message and purpose of the Christ was to establish the truths of creation ex nihilo and immediate post-mortem judgment and resurrection

That should be:

I don't just say that because, as a Mormon, I prefer to think that the central message and purpose of the Christ was not to establish the truths of creation ex nihilo and immediate post-mortem judgment and resurrection

[identity profile] asakiyume.livejournal.com 2007-10-25 10:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Perhaps JKR considers herself culturally Christian, but isn't very educated on what it means to make the claim?

What your essay makes me think, regarding her spiritual stance, is that she's someone who's got a sort of jumble-sale collection of beliefs and ideas, connected and logical, maybe, to her in her own head, but not necessarily objectively so.

It's interesting that a lot of the theological underpinnings you find are pre-Christian. I wonder what, if anything, it means, generally speaking...

[identity profile] fpb.livejournal.com 2007-10-26 07:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Christianity ceased to be the religion of the British elite in 1689. From then on, the cultural history of Britain is a rearguard struggle by what was left of Christianity to keep a hold of the country - a struggle which was lost about the time JKR was born. Her cultural heritage is pagan. I may expand on these remarks in a future essay.

[identity profile] asakiyume.livejournal.com 2007-10-26 07:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Why 1689, precisely? Oh wait, I see: because of the overthow of James II and Catholicism?

[identity profile] fpb.livejournal.com 2007-10-26 07:38 pm (UTC)(link)
More than that, because of the arrival of William of Orange and his dreadful crew.

[identity profile] cette-vie.livejournal.com 2007-10-25 11:51 pm (UTC)(link)
I think you need to be more receptive to Rowling's interpretation of "mastery of death." I found her explanation of that quite satisfying, and simple. One who accepts Death is one who masters death. Why doesn't that make sense? When you accept something that is so widely feared and shamed, it effectively no longer has control over you. In Rowling's view, and also in mine, the power of Death is one of fear and one of shame. If you give into the feelings that it inspires in people, then you give into Death. To control or to master Death in the way you seem to understand it would be to bring destruction, to let it make a puppet of you and bring Death to people.

Finally, a word on Hermione's ignorance of the New Testament. It's true that religion never quite manifests itself in an obvious way in Harry Potter, but that is no reason to believe that it is absent. It would be the equivalent of hitting the reader over the head with a bat to have religion actually be a real issue to tackle in these books, and have characters discussing it. Their point of view on religion is much more subtly disseminated by Rowling, I think. In fact, I would say that religion is hiding in plain view in Rowling's books. It's what she's not saying explicitly that is important. That we are meant to learn from reading Harry Potter.

All said and done, I do not know very much about Christianity, or Christian attitudes, but I think it is not fair to refute the label of a Christian writer simply because her work does not ring true with Church scripture and dogma at every twist and turn of the plot. As Rowling evidently does hold Christian themes in high esteem and choose to further their ends through her own writing, I think that I would call her a Christian writer.

[identity profile] fpb.livejournal.com 2007-10-26 07:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Ma chere, you are probably the closest thing to an absolute genius in my whole f-list - at least since Kenna Hijja is not there - but in this you suffer from the problem that you have never been Christian and know fairly little about it. Above all, your tone rather than your content suggests that you simply missed the point of my opening paragraph - namely, that Christianity and morality are two different things. So are Christianity and "religion". What you call "religion" is certainly present in JKR; it is what I call paganism, and, if you read again, you will find that I approve of it, and only wish JKR had more. It is an attitude of honour and respect for all things that deserve it, natural and supernatural. Christianity, on the other hand, is a doctrine, indeed a philosophy. Some of the finest men in history have not been Christian. Some of the worst scoundrels have been (although I as a Christian would argue that they have misunderstood and misapplied the doctrine). It is my view that the impact of Christianity on a community is overall positive, but it does not mean that I have to use the word "Christian" of any person as praise. Have I not said that, in certain areas, JKR's moral imagination is superlative?

[identity profile] mrmandias.livejournal.com 2007-10-26 08:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Probably you are right about this. I can't help thinking, though, that there is a sense in which Christ became the Master of Death by embracing it. There is also a sense in the HP books that because HP embraced death it didn't have a hold on him but because Voldemort did resist it did.

[identity profile] fpb.livejournal.com 2007-10-26 08:27 pm (UTC)(link)
My first impulse was to answer in the negative, but you have a really good point there. However, JKR has given a proper magical reason why Harry did not die - though he came to the edge of death: Voldemort himself bore Harry's own protection in himself. All he had managed to do was destroy his own Horcrux. Death itself, as such, is not involved here - but we know that Our Lord defeated death itself.

[identity profile] mrmandias.livejournal.com 2007-10-27 02:23 pm (UTC)(link)
True.

[identity profile] fpb.livejournal.com 2007-10-26 07:35 pm (UTC)(link)
To control or to master Death in the way you seem to understand it would be to bring destruction, to let it make a puppet of you and bring Death to people.
Suppose it meant the opposite? Suppose it meant removing death from those who had it too early - those who die in stupid accidents or from cruel diseases, the victims of crime and greed, of starvation, of thirst? You have given no reason whatever why a "master of death" should be evil, and your reasoning comes close to implying that all human beings, if they had such an opportunity, would abuse it. "Mastery" is non-moral. A master of archery may become a bandit who murders people on the highway, or train an army to defend his kingdom from bandits and enemies. A master of music may use it to compose the Ninth Symphony, or to seduce his female students. You have no reason whatever to argue that a master of Death must be a destroyer.

[identity profile] cette-vie.livejournal.com 2007-10-26 09:57 pm (UTC)(link)
I think that all the comparisons you've been making to Death are just plain unsuitable, because Death is not something like archery or music, which are skills that can be attained. To be a master of Death as you call it is to play God, in my opinion. To attain as much power as a human can have over it is to accept it. And yes, I do believe that humanity, in general, would abuse power over Death (not mastery, but power) if given the ability. Tell me about one thing, one bit of potential, one quality that mankind hasn't exploited and abused.

[identity profile] fpb.livejournal.com 2007-10-27 05:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Death is not something like archery or music, which are skills that can be attained
To use the word "mastery" in this context is to imply exactly that. Mastery applies to skills that can be attained. If it is not used in that meaning, then it is used misleadingly.
Tell me about one thing, one bit of potential, one quality that mankind hasn't exploited and abused
No, my dear - you tell me of one thing, one bit of potential, one quality, that this same mankind has not used to the height of possible excellence. To run down "mankind" as if you did not belong to it is both cheap and fraudulent - you seem to forget that saints and heroes are as common as villains and crminals.

[identity profile] cette-vie.livejournal.com 2007-10-27 05:52 pm (UTC)(link)
I honestly don't believe we've exercised our generosity and compassion to its possible excellence - if we have, why then would so many parts of the world suffer as they do right now? I believe a good man is hard to find, and I believe I will never be disappointed if I happen to think the worst of our race. There are good people around. They exist, and I know they do, but I'm so much more convinced that the bad outnumbers the good. In a way, that's a good thing. If excellence had been attained in every category of human potential, then is there more progress able to be made in this world? We're a little down in the world, but that's okay because there's somewhere to rise.

[identity profile] fpb.livejournal.com 2007-10-27 06:03 pm (UTC)(link)
Have a look at the closing chapter of my fic "A crime to outlive him", just published in my LJ (with a weird datestamp, alas - no fault of mine). It contains stuff that you might like to discuss.

[identity profile] solitary-summer.livejournal.com 2007-10-26 02:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Not being a Christian myself I'm not going to touch the JKR & Christianity issue, but one thing I must argue with:

Dumbledore’s frightened and selfish attitude to political office

Socrates might be countered with another quote, namely, 'Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.'

(Or, as paraphrased by Douglas Adams, whose ruler of the universe is an old man in a shack on an obscure world who isn't even certain that the universe outside his door exists, it is a well-known fact, that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it.)

JKR is clearly in the tradition of Tolkien here, who has Gandalf, who obviously serves as a model for her Dumbledore, reject the One Ring when offered by Frodo ('Do not tempt me! For I do not wish to become like the Dark Lord himself. Yet the way of the Ring to my heart is by pity, pity for weakness and the desire of strength to do good. Do not tempt me! I dare not take it, not even to keep it safe, unused.') as well as Galadriel, who also regards it as a temptation, a test to be passed, as does Faramir, who gets a happy ending, unlike his brother, who is promptly punished for coveting the ring.

You may not like it, but Dumbledore's course of action is entirely consistent with JKR's world-view, as well as within a certain literary tradition of the genre she writes in. And, as I implied in the earlier comment, to me his fears aren't as groundless as you seem to think, especially considering that the office in question seems to hold a lot of power and lend itself to abuse easily, and while much about the process of election and the institutions keeping the Minister of Magic's power in check remain unclear. In my opinion it was the better and wiser choice.



Also:

I wonder whether there is a single reader, older than twelve perhaps, who has found this a satisfactory statement.

Since you put it like that, I'll have to say that I found it satisfactory. [livejournal.com profile] cette_vie already said it all and makes it unnecessary for me to repeat it, except to add that McGonagall is mistress of Transfiguration, because she knows and accepts the laws that govern magic. Here, too, mastery implies acceptance of natural facts and laws, her control can go no further than that, either.


It may be different for you, but I think you need to have a very secure faith to find meaning in death, to make it anything more than arbitrary, the undiscovered country, from whose bourn / no traveler returns.

[identity profile] fpb.livejournal.com 2007-10-26 07:21 pm (UTC)(link)
That quote did not come from Socrates, but from Lord Acton, a nineteenth-century historian, who in turn claimed to have heard it from a Russian exile. I will add that I have no great respect for Lord Acton - his mind was fairly flat Victorian, Macaulay-and-water you might say. As for the polemic against seeking power, Winston Churchill sought power. And he came closer to absolute power than any British politician since Oliver Cromwell. If you say that this corrupted him, you are speaking as a doctrinaire, so I hope you will not. Socrates actually held high power in Athens as a member of the Ten, a body of judges, which did not stop him from criticizing his country and his fellow-citizens tirelessly - nor yet from dying to prove his obedience to their laws.

What you describe is not the mastery of death. It is the mastery of fear - an entirely different matter.

[identity profile] solitary-summer.livejournal.com 2007-10-26 07:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, I knew it wasn't Socrates; I hadn't known where it originally came from (I mistakenly suspected some Roman historian because I remember having it heard quoted in a lecture on Roman history once), but in that case Google is your friend; I assumed you'd know the source better than I had, so I didn't feel the need to attribute.

I don't see it as a doctrine, and there are, of course happy exceptions, but as a general rule I think it's true more often than not.


As for mastering death, of course as a Christian you'll see this differently. For someone who doesn't really believe in an afterlife, either the Christian version or any other, there is no way to master death in the sense you mean it.

[identity profile] fpb.livejournal.com 2007-10-26 07:49 pm (UTC)(link)
...there is no way to master death in the sense you mean it.
Two answers:
1) I would remind you that this is fiction. In fiction you can do anything you want - including inventing a myth for death.
2) That does nothing to challenge my original point, which was that JKR and anyone who agree with her plainly misuse the words "master" and "mastery", which have a perfectly clear meaning which is not the one you ascribe to it.

[identity profile] fpb.livejournal.com 2007-10-26 08:11 pm (UTC)(link)
By the way, what I blamed was not Dumbledore disliking power, but his neurotically refusing office - which is a different thing, a duty rather than a privilege - four times in a row, when he not only was the best qualified candidate, not only had he been formally approached, but knew perfectly well that the country was threatened by an enemy he was incomparably well placed to oppose. To leave this task to lesser men is, to me, to shirk duty, a cowardly and dishonourable thing to do. To do so because you are worried about the purity of your soul is to put your own self-concerns above the lives of thousands of your fellow-citizens. There is nothing admirable about this. And as I said, here I do not admire JKR at all - so your saying that this is consistent with her views makes no difference. I knew it. I disapprove of her views.

BTW, I have set out an imaginative account of my values in this area in this fic: http://www.fictionalley.org/authors/fabio_p_barbieri/TFNOTFOTHOB01.html. I would of course welcome any comment you might want to make.

[identity profile] mrmandias.livejournal.com 2007-10-26 08:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Quite right. Purity is sinful in a world where you can't do the good you ought without putting yourself in the way of temptation. There's no escaping the fall.

[identity profile] solitary-summer.livejournal.com 2007-10-26 09:26 pm (UTC)(link)
To do so because you are worried about the purity of your soul

I don't see it as that. IMO he was worried about the very real harm he might do to other people and society in a position of power. Dumbledore doesn't strike me as someone who is needlessly neurotic over anything; if he had fears in this regard, those fears will have had some justification. If it had been only a duty, taken on unwillingly... But for all we know, part of him still wanted the position quite badly; maybe that was which gave him warning. And personally I'd rather not see a charismatic, brilliant man who wrote the letter that Rita Skeeter quoted in a place of too much political power. And even in the older Dumbledore there's often a precarious balance between goodness and kindness and a harder, not-quite manipulative streak. He does have the tendency to use people quite ruthlessly for the cause.

And his reason for delaying the confrontation with Grindelwald was a different one - the very personal fear of finding out that he himself might have killed his sister. Dumbledore himself calls this shameful. But the implication of his own account is that even without being minister, he could have confronted (and defeated) him earlier, so these are two separate issues.

[identity profile] mrmandias.livejournal.com 2007-10-27 02:25 pm (UTC)(link)
That's the point. There's no reason to think that Dumbledore would have been worse in office than those who got it. But he allowed his self-centered psychological dramas to get in the way of his duty. That's self-indulgence.