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In yesterday's American Thinker, a man with the Italian name of Bonelli wrote the following, extremely offensive statement:

The United States is different from most other countries in many ways. One unique aspect of our country is that our elected officials, officers of the court, and the military, all pledge their allegiance to the Constitution and not to an office, individual or party. This assures continuity of the ideals set forth by the founders.

As an Italian citizen, I have personally sworn to defend the Constitution of my country when I served in the Italian army. The presumption involved in this ignorant display of insular arrogance is an insult to every constitutional government in the world.

Date: 2009-10-08 05:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fpb.livejournal.com
I very much doubt that there are many young families in France who are unaware of the more than dubious roots of the Lefebvrian schism, any more than there are voters for the National Front who are unaware of its politics. And the NF often polls 13%.

Date: 2009-10-08 05:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marielapin.livejournal.com
Are there any schisms that do not have roots that are not dubious or somehow related to politics? That has not kept people from joining or remaining in these groups.

Families here are certainly unaware or uncaring of the roots and I would guess in other countries where they have a hold likewise.

Date: 2009-10-08 05:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fpb.livejournal.com
Quite, but after the worldwide noise about Bishop Williamson's Holocaust denial (which, incidentally, is not even the worst of his intellectual sins), can it be said that they are unaware of the generally suspicious nature of the St.Pius X Society? Or is it rather that they side with it because it makes "the right people" angry?

Date: 2009-10-08 06:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marielapin.livejournal.com
I say they are blinded by what they see as the good fruits coming from their supposed "traditionalism", rationalizing what they see as the "faults" of some of their founders. You can argue that in several different ways, starting with the faults of the first pope. Take for other examples the pitiful recent discoveries of the head of the Legion of Christ. Though they are not in schism, the Legionnaries do not see their movement as invalid even if its founder was.

My whole point being in this whole tangent, that the lack of catechesis of adults as well as the abuses of the liturgy have sent both the "faithful" running to find stability in the wrong places, and have sent the questioning farther away, as they see no tenable or rational reasoning for their faith. I consider this the loss of faith that the popes have been speaking of.

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