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Date: 2005-07-07 11:27 am (UTC)-Kiks
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Date: 2005-07-07 11:36 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-07-07 04:57 pm (UTC)Though, if you consider those dreadful people your brothers, I'm both a bit worried and confused.
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Date: 2005-07-07 05:41 pm (UTC)("I am a man, nothing human is foreign to me.")
There was sarcasm in that "brothers", just as there was in the suggestion that some people would rather see me dead. You seem to have missed them in both places. But there is an important point there, too.
I regard these people as the enemy, their religion as the enemy's ideology, and our job here and now to fight them wherever they are and yeld nothing, either physically or morally, to them. We are at war. We have to win it, and that means not being too squeamish about such things as Guantanamo Bay, not accept the lies of the enemy about terrorism being generated by porverty and injustice - most terrorists are educated and, like Osama Bin Laden and Mohammad Atta, come from the leading classes in their native countries - and rejecting all notions of moral equivalence and all doubts that our cause is just. It is.
But at the same time, there is talk going around the internet that I do not like - burn the mosques, deport all Muslims, etc. Wars are not won by brutality; wars are not won by killing people - that just makes the others more obstinate (as our terrorist friends are going to find). Wars are won by convincing the enemy to stop fighting - it's as simple as that. If you do it by winning battles, all well and good; if you can do it by other means, even better. And in this case, to stop the enemy from fighting, you have to show that our cause, our behaviour, our culture, our religions, our beliefs, our attitudes, our institutions, our laws, our principles, are better than theirs. They are fighting for a view of the world; they and their supporters must be convinced that it is wrong and that ours is better. To act worse than them is hardly the way to do it.
To some people, this war we are caught in is an excuse to let loose the worst of their character and have fun cultivating murderous hatred and obscene vanity. To me, it is a reason to confirm our allegiance to the values of our culture. They are what we are fighting for, and we will not win unless they do.
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Date: 2005-07-07 11:27 pm (UTC)And it all just seems to go on and on, endlessly. :(
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Date: 2005-07-07 11:52 am (UTC)*feels relieved*
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Date: 2005-07-07 01:22 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-07-07 02:04 pm (UTC)BTW, would you mind emailing me, so I get your current working address? The one I have in the address book is defunct.
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Date: 2005-07-07 12:02 pm (UTC)Glad you're okay.
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Date: 2005-07-07 12:51 pm (UTC)Marie, the Girl-Who-Is-Ignorant-About-Crusades
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Date: 2005-07-07 01:59 pm (UTC)As soon as I heard of it all (about a half hour ago), I thought immediately of you. I am so happy that you are safe.
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Date: 2005-07-07 02:11 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-07-07 02:17 pm (UTC)Take care!
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Date: 2005-07-07 02:27 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-07-07 02:52 pm (UTC)Madness never ends.
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Date: 2005-07-07 02:59 pm (UTC)I don't think Norway was mentioned. Denmark pissed off the terrorists by implementing an anti-Islamic immigration and integration policy, and Italy by sending troops to Iraq. Norway has not, to the best of my knowledge, done either of these things.
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Date: 2005-07-07 03:05 pm (UTC)Well, you've never been the one to run away when things get messy. :)
Glad you're all right.
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Date: 2005-07-07 02:38 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-07-07 02:35 pm (UTC)*hugs you*
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Date: 2005-07-07 04:21 pm (UTC)*checks another member of the flist as 'ok'*
To say that this is horrible would be redundant. But I'll say it again anyway, because I haven't any other words at the moment. What a nightmare.
*hugs*
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Date: 2005-07-07 04:33 pm (UTC)As with everyone else who has been sweet enough to post and show concern, thank you very much. It's nice to have people who worry if you live or die.
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Date: 2005-07-07 10:21 pm (UTC)And yeah, I was worried about you: glad to hear you're all right.