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[fpb]

The morality, responsibility and consistency of those who voted for the winner may be gauged by the statement - which I have already encountered three or four times - that they "hope" that those of us who warned them against him were wrong.

Hope.

They have elected a politician to the most powerful post in the West based on what they hope he will prove.

Such appalling insouciance and irresponsibility is certain to be punished. God may delay His punishment for sin - often to the next world - but He never intermits anything to the punishment for stupidity, which is always paid, and paid strictly and with plenty of interest, here on Earth.

Comments

[curia-regis.livejournal.com]

Well, arguably, you have the same situation every time you vote for a politician. You always hope that their detractors were wrong. You can never be positive that a candidate will always go with everything they promised.

And really, I wouldn't have voted for Palin even if I did agree with her policies. It's not because of what the media has said about her. It's more her reaction to interviews and media questioning. She's not good at standing up to intense media questioning. You need a president who can deal with the media and who can deal with intense media scrutiny. I think she needs a lot more experience.

[fpb.livejournal.com]

Which Obama showed... yeah, right.

[curia-regis.livejournal.com]

He might not have a huge amount of experience, but he can answer media questions well. *shrug* I think some people make better politicians than others. You kind of need to have the ability to answer the media well and not say embarrassing things that the media can then twist to their own purposes. This is not to say that she's not smart or that she doesn't have good policies. But it's readily apparent that she needs more experience dealing with the media whereas Obama doesn't.

[fpb.livejournal.com]

He can answer media questions well because the media let him look good. All his interviews have been edited - in his favour. But it's too late now to point it out. When even you take what you see on TV for facts, I think that those of us who know better should just shut up and join the crowd of adorers. It's safer.

[jordan179.livejournal.com]

Well, arguably, you have the same situation every time you vote for a politician. You always hope that their detractors were wrong. You can never be positive that a candidate will always go with everything they promised.

In Obama's case, we can be positive that he won't, since most of his promises have contradicted other promises he made.

[fpb.livejournal.com]

Yeah, right. Try and reason with these people. On another LJ, there was one British idiot who even evoked the hideous disappointment of 1997 and Tony Blair, only to conclude that Obama sounds so much better and therefore will not do the same!

[curia-regis.livejournal.com]

Can I have a few examples? I'm not American so I honestly haven't been following the election that closely.

[jordan179.livejournal.com]

For instance, Obama intends to cut the defense budget, totally eliminate ballistic missile defense funding, and force Pakistan to let us go into the Northwest Provinces and win the war against Al Qaeda and the Taliban. I see an obvious problem with this combined policy.

[curia-regis.livejournal.com]

And wouldn't another way of putting that be, some of his promises contradicted the majority of his promises? I'm not arguing politics here, merely semantics. If most of his promises were different to a lesser proportion of them, then one could argue that he meant the majority of what he said, not the lesser proportion.

If that makes any sense. I'm rather tired. :)

[rfachir.livejournal.com]

What frosts me was the free ride he got from his liberals. Not that I'm a fan of marriage, but he said he supported defining marriage as a hetrosexual pairing. Then he was against making that a legal definition. So he won California, but his 'supporters' still voted against gay marriage. A scary demonstration of liberal leadership.

[un-crayon-rouge.livejournal.com]

Obvious differences between our beliefs aside, a vote is always an act of hope. There is never complete certainty.

And, let me add, I know at least three registered republicans on my friends list who voted for Obama because in good conscience they could not vote for McCain. The McCain of 2000, even 2004, yes, without a doubt. The McCain of this campaign, no. And they didn't abstain either, because they knew this was a pivotal moment for their country. Although not entirely sure of what Obama would or could do, they felt, after careful consideration, that it was at least a step in the right direction.

[fpb.livejournal.com]

Look, because three idiots who thought they were Republicans listened to the trash from the media about nice McCain suddenly turning into a monster, it does not mean that I should be quite so stupid. The characteristic of this election has been the fantastic mendacity and corruption of the mass media; and the only question for the future is whether, having made themselves into tools for Obama, they will continue to collaborate, or whether, when things begin to go wrong, they will turn on their former golden boy and tear him apart. My money is on the first option.

[un-crayon-rouge.livejournal.com]

Maybe they are biased. Maybe I am biased. Maybe you are biased. We all choose and filter our information, objective information is no longer possible. Complete objectivity and rationality cannot exist in this modern world.

We all have our opinions and beliefs and are glad when our government reflects those, because we naturally believe that when what we believe is right is sanctioned on a greater scale, the world, or at least our country, or at the very least small areas of it will become a better place. Not only for ourselves, but for other people too, who may have to be forced to what we believe is best for them.

And I really really really don't think my friends are stupid. They followed their conscience, and believe me, they were as well informed as a person can be. Their opinions and wishes in this instance just do no coincide with yours.

[super-pan.livejournal.com]

We did not vote for Obama based solely on hope. The hope was backed up by the evidence of the extreme competence of his campaign. And, just as you would have voted based on the issues most important to you, so did the rest us. And as for the hope that you ridicule, it is important, even necessary to make things better.

I would be angry that you call us stupid for voting for him, but then, I called everyone that voted for Bush stupid. And I feel pretty vindicated for that.

[super-pan.livejournal.com]

"And I feel pretty vindicated for that."

That was just being ugly, sorry.

[fpb.livejournal.com]

No, that was what you meant. And four years of Obama will soon cure you of it.

[jordan179.livejournal.com]

Competence in campaigning does not prove competence in governing. Nor does it even imply such comptence, especially when one's campaign involves making numerous contradictory promises. One cannot govern in such a fashion.

[fpb.livejournal.com]

And since when did Obama manage it anyway? It was a Chicago operation ran by the seasoned likes of David Axelrod and Valerie Jarrett. This is the most successful and enduring party machine in the world; you think one measly presidential campaign is beyond their resources?

[fpb.livejournal.com]

It will not take you four years to realize that a well-run publicity campaign with nothing underneath it is not what you should have asked for.

[rfachir.livejournal.com]

After hearing all the people rejoicing last night, and reading the "WTF?" posts this morning, I'm confident that self-induced chaos will keep the Machine that Ate the Electoral College from overwhelming the country. (But if I post asking which British schools accept polite foreigners, I'm counting on you to point me in the right direction.)

[fpb.livejournal.com]

They all do, but I have as much confidence in the British school system as you have in marriage - remember my posts on the subject? But I would so love to meet you in person.

[melengro.livejournal.com]

Uh...might it be that the Nazi comparison (which is incredibly obvious to anybody who has ever seen or even heard of Cabaret) is an extremist overreaction on your part? I think it might.

[fpb.livejournal.com]

One day I will post some considerations that occurred to me, to do with some ideas I saw in a number of Marvel comics. As it is, I can only say that that particular scene is very evocative to anyone who feels in the position of watching people drive themselves clean out of their minds by an act of will, that is, revolting against reason.

[melengro.livejournal.com]

Wow. Godwin Level is over nine thousand and Marvel is a legitimate political philosophy and/or history source. 50/10. *golfclap*

[fpb.livejournal.com]

I have now written and publihed the essay in which I explain the views that gave rise to this quotation. http://fpb.livejournal.com/380876.html